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Re: [rt-pmc] Gemini subproject situation
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I guess the difference is that users might dream of getting support on a release but they'd never get support on a milestone. I think some shops have policies that outlaw the use of milestones in production. I guess a formal release puts the users in a slightly stronger position should they wish to contribute and do their own support.
Oh and a formal release shows all the legal approvals have been finalised, which may be important to these users.
Regards,
Glyn
On 18 Jan 2012, at 14:18, Jesse McConnell wrote:
> o.O
>
> what exactly does anyone gain from having something named
> 0.9.0.v201201180815 over 1.0.0.M1
>
> is there some super sekrit special powers granted on osgi land? its a
> jar file...I don't see the distinction of M1 vs v201201180815 for
> anything other then political reasons, if the M1 just needs signed
> then make an M2 and sign it...we run our M and RC releases through the
> signing process for our p2 repos
>
> anyway, probably safe to ignore my thoughts and go with what tom says
> then, he is the master in these things :)
>
> cheers,
> jesse
>
> --
> jesse mcconnell
> jesse.mcconnell@xxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 08:04, michael keith <michael.keith@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> That very important differentiation is exactly the issue :-)
>>
>>
>> On 18/01/2012 3:49 AM, Glyn Normington wrote:
>>>
>>> Seems reasonable to me.
>>>
>>> But let's avoid using the R-word when talking about milestones. ;-)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Glyn
>>>
>>> On 17 Jan 2012, at 23:10, Jesse McConnell wrote:
>>>
>>>> as there must have been development after the M1 release, what about
>>>> making a 1.0.0.M2 released version and then just indicate that it is
>>>> eol and not being maintained any longer
>>>>
>>>> seems the easiest thing to do osgi wise
>>>>
>>>> jesse
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> jesse mcconnell
>>>> jesse.mcconnell@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 16:36, Thomas Watson<tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not in favor of releasing anything from incubation unless it is
>>>>> mature
>>>>> and has plans to be maintained and evolve in the future. My vote would
>>>>> be
>>>>> 2). My rational is that you have not really ever made a real release of
>>>>> this stuff so it is fine to degrade the version to 0.9.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unless I am mistaken it sounds like very few, if any, would be effected
>>>>> by
>>>>> degrading the version of this bundle when you make the first release as
>>>>> an
>>>>> incubation project. Am I missing something? Do others in the community
>>>>> view the 1.0.0 M1 contents as a released version of the Gemini Naming
>>>>> project?
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> |01/17/2012 04:10 PM
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>>>>> |[rt-pmc] Gemini subproject situation
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We have a question in the Gemini project that we would like to ask the
>>>>> PMC to weigh in on.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Gemini Naming project was a Gemini subproject that was never
>>>>> intended to be maintained much, but that some people find useful. It is
>>>>> the implementation of the OSGi JNDI spec that might not ever be updated
>>>>> because there will likely not be a need. Bob Nettleton from Oracle wrote
>>>>> and led the project until about a year ago when he was no longer able to
>>>>> be involved. He made a 1.0.0 M1 milestone available. The project never
>>>>> left incubation when most of the other Gemini subprojects did.
>>>>>
>>>>> We have had some people ask for a release and one suggestion was that we
>>>>> put out a 0.9 release and leave the project in incubation. However,
>>>>> since a 1.0.0 M1 milestone was already made available it would seem like
>>>>> the wrong choice to put out a lower 0.9 release at this stage. I always
>>>>> figured that projects should not release a 1.0 while in incubation, but
>>>>> the alternative is to graduate the project, release a 1.0, and
>>>>> effectively not do any development on it. It should be released, but
>>>>> which of these options, or some alternative option, do people think
>>>>> would be the best course of action?
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Bring the project to graduation (even though there may not be much
>>>>> development on it after that point) and release a 1.0
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) Leave the project in incubation and put out a 0.9 release, even
>>>>> though a 1.0 M1 is already available
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) Leave the project in incubation and put out a 1.0 release
>>>>>
>>>>> Whatever choice is the right one would be fine, we just don't know what
>>>>> that is.
>>>>> My vote would probably be for (1), but as the Gemini project lead I am
>>>>> somewhat interest-conflicted :-).
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> -Mike
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