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Re: [rt-pmc] Gemini subproject situation
The difference between a release and a milestone is much greater than the simple name on a JAR (the JAR naming is an topic that I am not even going to touch right now). The Eclipse community takes great pride in the super sekrit powers endowed to a JAR during the release process, and we want people to view it as something that has undergone a well-defined and rigorous set of steps. It is not meant to be taken or received lightly! 

On 18/01/2012 9:18 AM, Jesse McConnell wrote:

o.O

what exactly does anyone gain from having something named
0.9.0.v201201180815 over 1.0.0.M1

is there some super sekrit special powers granted on osgi land?  its a
jar file...I don't see the distinction of M1 vs v201201180815 for
anything other then political reasons, if the M1 just needs signed
then make an M2 and sign it...we run our M and RC releases through the
signing process for our p2 repos

anyway, probably safe to ignore my thoughts and go with what tom says
then, he is the master in these things :)

cheers,
jesse

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On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 08:04, michael keith<michael.keith@xxxxxxxxxx>  wrote:

That very important differentiation is exactly the issue :-)


On 18/01/2012 3:49 AM, Glyn Normington wrote:

Seems reasonable to me.

But let's avoid using the R-word when talking about milestones. ;-)

Regards,
Glyn

On 17 Jan 2012, at 23:10, Jesse McConnell wrote:


as there must have been development after the M1 release, what about
making a 1.0.0.M2 released version and then just indicate that it is
eol and not being maintained any longer

seems the easiest thing to do osgi wise

jesse

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On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 16:36, Thomas Watson<tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>    wrote:

I'm not in favor of releasing anything from incubation unless it is
mature
and has plans to be maintained and evolve in the future.  My vote would
be
2).  My rational is that you have not really ever made a real release of
this stuff so it is fine to degrade the version to 0.9.

Unless I am mistaken it sounds like very few, if any, would be effected
by
degrading the version of this bundle when you make the first release as
an
incubation project.  Am I missing something?  Do others in the community
view the 1.0.0 M1 contents as a released version of the Gemini Naming
project?

Tom




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We have a question in the Gemini project that we would like to ask the
PMC to weigh in on.

The Gemini Naming project was a Gemini subproject that was never
intended to be maintained much, but that some people find useful. It is
the implementation of the OSGi JNDI spec that might not ever be updated
because there will likely not be a need. Bob Nettleton from Oracle wrote
and led the project until about a year ago when he was no longer able to
be involved. He made a 1.0.0 M1 milestone available. The project never
left incubation when most of the other Gemini subprojects did.

We have had some people ask for a release and one suggestion was that we
put out a 0.9 release and leave the project in incubation. However,
since a 1.0.0 M1 milestone was already made available it would seem like
the wrong choice to put out a lower 0.9 release at this stage. I always
figured that projects should not release a 1.0 while in incubation, but
the alternative is to graduate the project, release a 1.0, and
effectively not do any development on it. It should be released, but
which of these options, or some alternative option, do people think
would be the best course of action?

1) Bring the project to graduation (even though there may not be much
development on it after that point) and release a 1.0

2) Leave the project in incubation and put out a 0.9 release, even
though a 1.0 M1 is already available

3) Leave the project in incubation and put out a 1.0 release

Whatever choice is the right one would be fine, we just don't know what
that is.
My vote would probably be for (1), but as the Gemini project lead I am
somewhat interest-conflicted :-).

Thanks,
-Mike
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