Re: [epp-dev] EPP Indigo RC4 Packages (Incubation designation)

[Beth Tibbitts <tibbitts@xxxxxxxxxx>]

I agree with Doug.
Could you at least
1) be equitable and put it on all projects with incubating components
On my Mac Safari browser, only Parallel has this designation
On Linux/Firefox C/C++ Linux Developers appears (why does this package not appear on other platorms? You could download it from other platforms, and I often do! ) has it too
C/C++ has it on neither
2) perhaps change it to be e.g. add an extra line:
Eclipse IDE for Parallel Application Developers (bold), 177 MB
(next line in somewhat smaller/less bold font:) Includes incubating components
Downloaded xxx times Details


...Beth

Beth Tibbitts
Eclipse Parallel Tools Platform http://eclipse.org/ptp
IBM STG - High Performance Computing Tools
Mailing Address: IBM Corp., 745 West New Circle Road, Lexington, KY 40511

"Schaefer, Doug" ---06/13/2011 12:11:15 PM---That’s what I thought. Not sure why we need to make such a big deal about it on the downloads page t

From:	"Schaefer, Doug" <Doug.Schaefer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To:	Eclipse Packaging Project <epp-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date:	06/13/2011 12:11 PM
Subject:	Re: [epp-dev] EPP Indigo RC4 Packages (Incubation designation)
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That’s what I thought. Not sure why we need to make such a big deal about it on the downloads page then.

From: epp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:epp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Wayne Beaton
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 11:38 AM
To: epp-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [epp-dev] EPP Indigo RC4 Packages (Incubation designation)

Partly it's a matter of IP. However, in order to do a release--regardless of incubation status--a project's IP must be approved by the IP Team.

There are other considerations in incubation, like API stability, quality metrics, and even long-term viability of the project.

Wayne

On 06/13/2011 11:18 AM, Ian Skerrett wrote:
No. Projects in incubation typically use parallel IP.

On 6/13/2011 10:48 AM, Schaefer, Doug wrote:

Why does it matter whether a component is incubating or not. Do not all the projects on the train go through an IP review and reach the same level of pedigree tests to get on the train?

Doug.

From: epp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:epp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Beth Tibbitts
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 10:39 AM
To: Eclipse Packaging Project
Subject: Re: [epp-dev] EPP Indigo RC4 Packages (Incubation designation)

OK I see the RC4 packages on http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/index-developer.php
and our "Eclipse IDE for Parallel Application Developers" with the words "(includes Incubating components)"
which is accurate, since we included some Linux Tools components, esp. autotools, that we anticipate our users will find useful (but that we do not explicitly require or interface with).
I also see the incubation name in the name of the downloaded file now e.g. "eclipse-parallel-indigo-RC4-incubation-macosx-cocoa-x86_64.tar.gz"

CDT's "Eclipse IDE for C/C++ Developers" also includes autotools, so why does it not say "(includes Incubating components)"? Or included in the download file name.
It seems a rather large indicator (same size font as name of package) for a minor component of our package.
When you click on the 'Details' link it says at the top
"An IDE for Parallel Application Developers. Note that this package includes some incubating components, as indicated by features with "(Incubation)" following their name."
The list of features is there but the Linux Tools features don't have the "(Incubation)" designation next to them.

So, I don't think this is going to happen (I agree with Doug that most folks probably don't care) but I don't want
to scare users away with the rather large Incubation designation for what is a very minor, and noncritical (but handy) part of our download.
I think it's confusing and distracting.

If it's there, can it be a smaller font, footnote, icon or something, and can the details page at least indicate which components comprise the Incubation designation?

That said, Kudos to everyone esp. Markus for getting us and all the other packages this far; we're very proud to be a part of the Eclipse Packaging Project.
Our primary motivation was to make installation of PTP less confusing and more straightforward and this has definitely made a huge impact into the ease of adoption.
We're already feeling the impact in terms of less explanation to do regarding the sometimes-minefield of installing eclipse features.


...Beth

Beth Tibbitts
Eclipse Parallel Tools Platform http://eclipse.org/ptp
IBM STG - High Performance Computing Tools
Mailing Address: IBM Corp., 745 West New Circle Road, Lexington, KY 40511

"Schaefer, Doug" ---06/10/2011 02:06:40 PM---At the end of the day, no one really cares whether a package has an incubation label on it. So yes,

From:	"Schaefer, Doug" <Doug.Schaefer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To:	Eclipse Packaging Project <epp-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date:	06/10/2011 02:06 PM
Subject:	Re: [epp-dev] EPP Indigo RC4 Packages - testing
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At the end of the day, no one really cares whether a package has an incubation label on it. So yes, that’s what we want.

Doug.

From: epp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:epp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Markus Knauer
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 12:09 PM
To: Eclipse Packaging Project
Subject: Re: [epp-dev] EPP Indigo RC4 Packages - testing

Hmm, but you are all aware that every download that contains incubating components needs to be marked as 'incubation' (file name, description, ...)? For examples see the download page and the LinuxTools package. Is this really what we want?

Regards, Markus
On 10 June 2011 17:59, Schaefer, Doug <Doug.Schaefer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
+1 for CPP. This package includes the autotools component from the linux tools which is marked Incubator.

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> On Behalf Of Andrew Overholt
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> http://build.eclipse.org/technology/epp/epp_build/indigo/download/20110
> 609-2244
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> +1 to 20110609-2244_eclipse-linuxtools-indigo-RC4-linux.gtk.x86_64.tar.gz
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> This package *does* include incubating components.
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