We should address this policy with the Planning and Architecture
Councils if it's something that we feel needs to change.
Wyane
On 06/13/2011 12:10 PM, Schaefer, Doug wrote:
That’s what I thought. Not sure why we need to make
such a big deal about it on the downloads page then.
Partly it's a matter of IP. However, in order to do a
release--regardless of incubation status--a project's IP
must be approved by the IP Team.
There are other considerations in incubation, like API
stability, quality metrics, and even long-term viability of
the project.
Wayne
On 06/13/2011 11:18 AM, Ian Skerrett wrote:
No. Projects in incubation typically use parallel IP.
On 6/13/2011 10:48 AM, Schaefer, Doug wrote:
Why does it matter whether a component is incubating or
not. Do not all the projects on the train go through an IP
review and reach the same level of pedigree tests to get
on the train?
Doug.
OK I see the RC4 packages on
http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/index-developer.php
and our "Eclipse IDE for Parallel Application
Developers" with the words "(includes Incubating
components)"
which is accurate, since we included some Linux Tools
components, esp. autotools, that we anticipate our users
will find useful (but that we do not explicitly require
or interface with).
I also see the incubation name in the name of the
downloaded file now e.g.
"eclipse-parallel-indigo-RC4-incubation-macosx-cocoa-x86_64.tar.gz"
CDT's "Eclipse IDE for C/C++ Developers" also includes
autotools, so why does it not say "(includes Incubating
components)"? Or included in the download file name.
It seems a rather large indicator (same size font as
name of package) for a minor component of our package.
When you click on the 'Details' link it says at the top
"An IDE for Parallel Application Developers. Note that
this package includes some
incubating
components, as indicated by features with "(Incubation)"
following their name."
The list of features is there but the Linux Tools
features don't have the "(Incubation)" designation next
to them.
So, I don't think this is going to happen (I agree with
Doug that most folks probably don't care) but I don't
want
to scare users away with the rather large Incubation
designation for what is a very minor, and noncritical
(but handy) part of our download.
I think it's confusing and distracting.
If it's there, can it be a smaller font, footnote, icon
or something, and can the details page at least indicate
which components comprise the Incubation designation?
That said, Kudos to everyone esp. Markus for getting us
and all the other packages this far; we're very proud to
be a part of the Eclipse Packaging Project.
Our primary motivation was to make installation of PTP
less confusing and more straightforward and this has
definitely made a huge impact into the ease of adoption.
We're already feeling the impact in terms of less
explanation to do regarding the sometimes-minefield of
installing eclipse features.
...Beth
Beth Tibbitts
Eclipse Parallel Tools Platform http://eclipse.org/ptp
IBM STG - High Performance Computing Tools
Mailing Address: IBM Corp., 745 West New Circle Road,
Lexington, KY 40511
 "Schaefer,
Doug" ---06/10/2011 02:06:40 PM---At the end of the day,
no one really cares whether a package has an incubation
label on it. So yes,
At the end of the day, no one really cares whether a
package has an incubation label on it. So yes, that’s
what we want.
Doug.
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Subject: Re: [epp-dev] EPP Indigo RC4 Packages -
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Hmm, but you are all aware that every download that
contains incubating components needs to be marked as
'incubation' (file name, description, ...)? For examples
see the download page and the LinuxTools package. Is
this really what we want?
Regards, Markus
On 10 June 2011 17:59, Schaefer, Doug <Doug.Schaefer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
+1 for CPP. This package includes the autotools
component from the linux tools which is marked
Incubator.
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> http://build.eclipse.org/technology/epp/epp_build/indigo/download/20110
> 609-2244
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> +1 to
20110609-2244_eclipse-linuxtools-indigo-RC4-linux.gtk.x86_64.tar.gz
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> This package *does* include incubating components.
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