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Re: [birt-dev] New BIRT Logo
It was suggested we run a 99designs campaign and the foundation would cover the costs of anyone that pays up front.
My company frequently uses 99designs, so I set we would front the money to make it happen. 
I suggested that on this email.
One person (Wim) said great, so I did it.
99designs is not perfect, but I will take the time to put all submissions in Bugzilla, and anybody can vote the ones we want. 
I will use the Bugzilla votes to manage the 99designs process.
I will post Christophe's design in the Bugzilla portion of the contest.
If his is the winning design, he won't get any prize, but we will use his design on the website. (Christophe has indicated he would donate the money to the foundation anyway)
The second place design (the one that wins on 99designs) will get the prize.

Will that be acceptable to everyone?

scott

On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 6:01 AM Loetz, Christophe <ChLoetz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Nico,

Hi All,

 

as I am also from Germany let me answer:

 

Yes there are contest where participants are not paid, but in these contest, the participants don’t have to go through a board and work as if they were employed. Next a participant wins he/she gets the whole merit, which is not the case here. In the architecture business participants are often paid. In Swizzerland they must(!) be paid which I think should be the normal legal terms.

 

As German you certainly know that for example the meantime on the housing market the housing owner pays the broker not the housing seeker. It should also be the same here. But 99Designs selects who can participate, and treats those persons as if they were employees, similar to Uber.

 

Fairplay would be: 99Design (broker)  gets paid by the one asking for a contest (house woner), everybody can compete and the winner holds the advertised winning sum. I believe that transparency is part of fair play.

 

As you can read in the previous mails I never contested to participate in a contest and compare what others can contribute. I am a sportsman. But I don’t want to compete under unfair conditions especially if it is exploiting persons.

 

I apologize that I have triggered a discussion that takes us away from the actual topic. We all want a super good new homepage. That's what I'm standing up for and on which I will concentrate now.

 

Thanks for your support against unfairness. I appreciated all comments.

 

Best

Christophe

 

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: birt-dev [mailto:birt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] Im Auftrag von Nicolai Ehemann
Gesendet: Freitag, 16. April 2021 12:17
An: For developers on the BIRT project
Betreff: Re: [birt-dev] New BIRT Logo

 

Hello,

 

I am also from Germany, and while I would instantly second Christophes attitude towards social security, I'm not sure that 99designs "business model" can be simply characterized as exploitation.

 

It is, in my option, quite difficult to "buy" or "order" a logo design or anything similar, where the appraisal (I'm not sure thats the correct term) of the result is so much dependent on personal taste. It is, in fact, quite common to create contests for artistic work, for example architectural contests, where the participants don't get paid for their effort if they don't win (here, often even the winner can only pay a fraction of his expenses). It might be nice if everyone competing would get at least a small compensation, but that is not really possible with fixed budgets and would also lead to low performance being lucrative.

 

Nico

 

 

----- Ursprüngliche Mail -----

Von: "hvbdev" <hvbdev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>

An: "For developers on the BIRT project" <birt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>

Gesendet: Freitag, 16. April 2021 09:32:00

Betreff: Re: [birt-dev] New BIRT Logo

 

Am 16.04.2021 um 08:55 schrieb Loetz, Christophe:

 

 

 

...

 

 

1.) I have no chance to submit my logo as I will not apply as a “fulltime” designer. My task are other ones.

 

 

 

2.) I will not support this kind of business model and therefore I will not support 99Designs, as I explained in my last mail.

 

 

I support Christophe here.

 

And I even think that the whole idea of creating a contest is pure overkill. There are other things to do, this whole logo discussion only costs us time and other ressources.

 

Disclaimer: I am a developer from Germany and aged >=50, I have no relation to Christophe's company and this is my personal opinion (probably not mainstream), no offence meant: I think Christophe's logo is a bit too colourful. In all other respects I like it. Anyway, the logo doesn't really matter to me. I understand Christophe's explanations about the ideas behind the logo. Furthermore, Christophe has spent considerable effort for the new logo and web site and this should be rewarded.

 

 

To put a long story short: I support Christophe's logo - I won't even look at others.

 

Henning

 

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