Re: [platform-ant-dev] Ant project builders in separate VM?

[Jared Burns <jaredburns@xxxxxxx>]

I appreciate the position you're in, Bob. But I think you need to recognize 
that the vast majority of the world doesn't use Ant to drive Eclipse.

The majority of people we've heard from are using Ant in heterogenous 
environments. The same Ant scripts have to run from within Eclipse and from 
the command line.

These Eclipse-specific Ant tasks are cool and all, but they're an advanced, 
fairly niche feature. I'm inclined to say that if your users are advanced 
enough to be writing Ant scripts that use these tasks, they should be able to 
set the option to run those scripts in the same VM as Eclipse.

I think the fact that Ant used to be run in the same VM as Eclipse was way 
more counterintuitive than what we have today. I don't remember the feature's 
history, but I'd *guess* that the only reason we even support it is so that 
the Eclipse build process can be run with Ant and use the Eclipse JDT 
compiler.

- Jared

On Friday 05 March 2004 08:26 pm, Bob Foster wrote:
> Shackelford, John-Mason wrote:
> > And furthermore, though an active member of the ant community, I am *not*
> > on a first-name basis with anyone that has constructed a build system
> > tied to an IDE. :)
>
> If this is the party line, I'm starting to wonder why there is a "plugin
> can add tasks to Ant" feature at all. (And feeling just a bit stupid for
> having written one.)
>
> I can imagine all the great fun I can have explaining to users why they
> "installed your plugin and it doesn't work." I really don't get enough
> of that from the way Eclipse remembers past editor choices. ;-}
>
> But I'm trying to reconcile 1) the plugin works just fine in 2.1 and 3.0
> by default with 2) the decision was made a long time ago that it
> wouldn't. Is that just one of those 3.0 incompatibility shoes that
> hasn't dropped yet?
>
> Bob
>
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