Re: [wtp-proposal] April 30 Summary of Web Tools Project Proposal Feedb

["Thomas Hallgren" <thomas.hallgren@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

There's no argument that XDoclet must be supported. My main point was that
since JSR-175 is already released as beta (main release probably after the
summer) and is unlikely to change in any significant way, it might be wise
to design new software so that is capable to use either XDoclet or JSR-175.
After all, they will probably co-exist for perhaps as long as 2-3 years. I'd
be very surprised if JSR-175 final release comes after the Webtools project
makes its first beta release.

My second point concerns how the annotations are used, not how they are
defined (i.e. the question on XDoclet and/or JSR-175 is not that
significant). The JSR I think will see the light of day, either devised by
us or by someone else, defines the annotations needed to use JSR-175 Meta
Data to describe J2EE semantics. What is the Java Community doing in this
area? Can we help? The alternative is to disregard what might be happening
and go our own way using an existing XDoclet framework. Personally, I think
that'd be the wrong way to go.

- thomas


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Naci Dai" <naci.dai@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <wtp-proposal@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <wtp-proposal@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: [wtp-proposal] April 30 Summary of Web Tools Project Proposal
Feedback


> I believe there is general consensus (at least among us) on
> xdoclet/metadata use:
>
> -JSR 175 (Metadata) is the relevant standard but it is not released
> yet.  We should not wait for it to finalize
> -XDoclet is the "de-facto" standard, we should have support for it.  It is
> possible to have compatibility support for xdoclet tags using JSR175 later
on.
> -For supporting EJB development using XDoclet, J2EE Std Project is the
> potential home.
>
>
>
>
> At 06:10 PM 5/2/2004, Thomas Hallgren wrote:
> >A minor correction. I said that both Java 1.5 and J2EE are standards.
> >XDoclet is well known but it's not a standard.
> >
> >My concern is that since Java 1.5 is very suitable for some constructs in
> >J2EE (deployment descriptors in particular), it's not unlikely that a JSR
> >will emerge that combines the two. If no such JSR is in writing already,
> >perhaps we should have a go at it using an existing XDoclet framework as
the
> >base for it.
> >
> >Kind regards,
> >
> >Thomas Hallgren
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Bjorn Freeman-Benson" <bjorn@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >To: <wtp-proposal@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 03:10
> >Subject: [wtp-proposal] April 30 Summary of Web Tools Project Proposal
> >Feedback
> >
> >
> > > (As part of the membership-at-large comment process, I will be
summarizing
> > > the discussions and feedback at the end of each week: April 30, May 7,
May
> > > 14, May 21, and May 27. This is the first of those summaries. I invite
you
> > > to correct any errors I have made.)
> > >
> > > Features requested:
> > >     hibernate - Haris Peco <snpe@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > >     JSF - Haris Peco <snpe@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > >     JSP - Ivar Vasara <ivasara-NOSPAM-@xxxxxx>
> > >     portlets - Mohamed ZERGAOUI <mozer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >     spring - Haris Peco <snpe@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > >     xdoclet - redmark <redpowerhot@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >
> > > Critiques:
> > >     "Spending a bunch of time making a perfect solution doesn't make
sense
> > > to me; don't want a new set of frameworks when a good starting point
> > > exists" - Michael Dickson <mike.dickson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >
> > > Scope questions:
> > >     "Should doclets be a technology project or JSR annotations in the
J2EE
> > > project?" - Naci Dai <naci.dai@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >     "Both doclets and 1.5 metadata are standards; how to coordinate
the
> > > two?" - Thomas Hallgren <thomas.hallgren@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >
> > > Statements of scoping:
> > >     "The scope of web tools is huge and we have chosen to start with
> > > something well identified" - Christophe Ney
<christophe.ney@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >     "Do not commit to xdoclet at this point" - Thomas Hallgren
> > > <thomas.hallgren@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >
> > > A couple people have expressed mild interest in becoming a contributor
and
> > > one person stated that "you'd likely get many hands to help whip
> >everything
> > > into shape", but no commitments have been made.
> > >
> > > - WTP Proposal Shepherd (Bjorn Freeman-Benson)
> > >
> > >
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