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Re: [technology-pmc] Project Proposal: Faceted Project Framework

Sorry for jumping a bit late on the conversation.

I've been following the movements to make the faceted framework independent from WTP. 
As I understand the project, it provides a common solution for projects that allow the user to enable/disable some functionality on a project. Typically, these projects would resort to adding/removing natures through the contextual menu for the project, which clutters the UI.

In this situation, the success (broad adoption) would be a matter of reaching out to projects and users. Many projects adopting it means that many users are comfortable with the "new" UI and the concept of facets, which in turns means that many more projects will be urged by their users to adopt the framework.

Because of this, I agree with Eugine that getting some other projects involved (or just interested) in the proposal would be a good idea.

Another thing to consider is compatibility with older releases of eclipse. Many projects (specially established ones with large communities) are committed to provide their work on something other than the bleeding edge eclipse release... if they are prevented from using the faceted framework because of this, adoption could slow down.

Of course, making the faceted project an integral part of e4 would be the best option in the future. But I feel that it will depend on how well it does on the 3.x line.


El 14/10/2008, a las 21:29, Konstantin Komissarchik escribió:

 I do understand all of that, but is should not have prevented person
proposing new project from soliciting interested parties for the sake of
this proposal, especially if he is convinced that it would be useful to
others.

This works better once a project is proposed. There is an announcement, a newsgroup, etc. It should also be noted that there is no requirement in the Eclipse Development Process that says at least two projects must be involved to create another project. If it turns out that efforts to spread this technology beyond WTP fail, then that will be discussed when the exit strategy for this project from Technology is formulated. Keep in mind that one potential exit strategy is to get the project folded back into WTP.

  Also, I had an experience dealing with faceted framework, and found it
not that well documented. So, having just one committer on the proposal
would make it hard for that person to improve this aspect of the
project. Moving it out of WTP umbrella would actually decrease workforce
for the project, because it won't be responsibility of the WTP anymore.

I am surprised you say that regarding documentation. There is tutorial, javadoc and various content in SDK documentation. Have you tried opening bugs to highlight areas that don't have adequate coverage? I am particularly fond of patches, btw.

Moving this out of WTP will not alter the amount of resources going towards this framework. There only one committer who works on this code in WTP right now. Keep in mind that WTP will be the primary consumer of this framework for the immediate future. It's not like other folks involved with WTP or with commercial products adopting WTP will let this code rot. 

 I also concerned with moving faceted framework out of the WTP
namespace, given that faceted framework in WTP is actually a public API.
Please note that 3rd party integrations would have really hard time to
support old and new stuff (it is already painful enough to support more
then the latest WTP version). Actually I am not that much concerned
about faceted framework itself, but how would I have to handle WTP
project configuration in Maven tools [1] after WTP itself would be moved
to the new incarnation of this framework. It would be really great to
see those aspects covered in the proposal.

This is addressed in the proposal. Please take another look. The API in WTP would be preserved by becoming a shell that wraps the framework in its new location. Existing code will continue to work as before.

 Another issue that is not covered in the proposal is relationship
between facets and natures. From your comments it seem like there is
some historical issues between Platform and this framework, but it would
be great to have some plan for moving forward, maybe at least plan to
address this issue in e4.

I will add a little bit more clarifying text in this regard. There is an ongoing conversation on the e4 mailing list. If something comes of it, it might influence future direction for this project, but not necessarily change any of the immediate plans.

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