AFAICT, no metadata has been provided for Viatra2. This explains the
blank page. If it had previously been provided, then it's now
missing. That's the sort of problem that I'd like to sort out...
Please advise.
Wayne
On 07/14/2012 02:50 AM, Ed Merks wrote:
Ed,
Thanks for the heads up! More comments below.
On 14/07/2012 7:37 AM, Ed Willink wrote:
Hi
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.gmt.viatra2
should not be terminated; it is active and moving to MMT.
Is there a move review underway? The page is completely blank.
Where is the metadata for this project now? Maybe Wayne needs to
update something.
M2M
is now MMT.
Yet another example of how badly out of date the website is.
While I agree that the umbrella projects are confusing to end
users, much of this has been eliminated by external flattening,
so for MDT/OCL the public name is Eclipse OCL, http://wiki.eclipse.org/OCL,
org.eclipse.ocl....
So that's not an argument for keeping them, only an argument that
they do little harm...
At present 'Modeling' is not evident as a further level of
umbrella project, so when the current umbrella projects are
eliminated 'Modeling' will suddenly appear
Suddenly appear where?
and so some problems will just have been moved.
Which problems specifically?
And
with so many projects directly under Modeling, we may have
insufficient hierarchy.
Insufficient hierarchy for what purpose?
I suspect that it may be good to keep the hierarchy for
administration,
They seem to create more administration rather than less.
but to hide it from users, so a revised web site that hides the
umbrella would be good.
So that begs the question, what purpose do they serve? They
definitely create additional administration because each
maintains a committer list and that list is not automatically
representative of the merger of all committers of all contained
projects. So we end up with these silly elections just to get
access web/download artifacts.
Regards
Ed Willink
On 14/07/2012 06:02, Ed Merks wrote:
As you may have noticed, I've been actively removing inactive
committers from the various modeling projects.
My next task is to terminate inactive projects themselves.
The following projects are targets for immediate termination:
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.pmf
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.tmf.tcs
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.mdt.uml2-tools
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.mdt.sbvr
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.mdt.imm
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.mdt.mst
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.gmt.viatra2
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.gmt.omcw
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.gmt.mofscript
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.gmt.gems
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.gmt
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.gmt.am3
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.emft.temporality
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.emft.servus
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.emft.search
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.emft.mxf
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.emft.mtf
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.emft.jcrm
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.emf.sdo
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.emft.emfatic
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.emft.emf4net
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.emft.mint
I'm in discussion with Yves Yang about PMF's future. I'm
asking Epsilon to absorb the code base from Emfatic. The UML2
Tools code base will be absorbed as a GMF Tooling sample.
Does anyone have concerns or comments about this list? I.e.,
are there any projects I should add to or remove from this
list?
I'd also like to rethink the need for "umbrella projects."
With the current development processes and infastructure at
Eclipse, they no longer seem to serve a useful purpose. In
fact, maintaining an appropriate committer list for them is
proving problematic. In other words, I'm proposing to
eliminate all of the following:
The primary point to consider is that consumers could not
care less about hierarchical project structure. In fact,
it's likely they don't even care about project structure,
period. The consumers are interested in technologies and
solutions that they can apply to their problem domain.
Overall, the current website is worse than useless in terms
addressing consumer needs, though there are some notable
project-specific exceptions. Mostly the website is
confusing, out-dated, and disorganized resulting in an
overall bad impression of our excellent technologies.
Picking an example close to home, have a look at the EMF
home page. "News" is from 2009? What does that say about
the project? In the end, that page more of a dirty laundry
list than anything useful for consumers. And it's not the
only example of that...
I think we need to start with a fresh website to ensure
that we arrive at something that's usable and easy
to maintain so that we never again end up in the state we're
in right now. I'd like throw out what have now in CVS and
start with a new basis that is maintained in git. The focus
will be on the "main" message on the landing page as well as
mechanisms for helping consumers find relevant technologies
and solutions that address their specific needs. I'll also
look at providing some exemplary project-specific home pages
to set the stage. Wayne's approach of automatically
rendering a home page from project metadata is something
I'll look at closely. Wouldn't it be nice to have a common
and consistent way to determine project-specific source
repos, p2 repos, forums, bug tracking, and so on? Of
course I'll provide ample opportunity for others to review
the progress and to get involved.
If any of you have have comments, criticisms, or concerns,
I'm happy to hear about them.
Regards,
Ed
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