Ed,
Thanks for the heads up! More comments below.
On 14/07/2012 7:37 AM, Ed Willink
wrote:
Hi
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.gmt.viatra2
should not be terminated; it is active and moving to MMT.
Is there a move review underway? The page is completely blank.
Where is the metadata for this project now? Maybe Wayne needs to
update something.
M2M is now MMT.
Yet another example of how badly out of date the website is.
While I agree that the umbrella projects are confusing to end
users, much of this has been eliminated by external flattening, so
for MDT/OCL the public name is Eclipse OCL, http://wiki.eclipse.org/OCL,
org.eclipse.ocl....
So that's not an argument for keeping them, only an argument that
they do little harm...
At present 'Modeling' is not evident as a further level of
umbrella project, so when the current umbrella projects are
eliminated 'Modeling' will suddenly appear
Suddenly appear where?
and so some problems will just have been moved.
Which problems specifically?
And
with so many projects directly under Modeling, we may have
insufficient hierarchy.
Insufficient hierarchy for what purpose?
I suspect that it may be good to keep the hierarchy for
administration,
They seem to create more administration rather than less.
but to hide it from users, so a revised web site that hides the
umbrella would be good.
So that begs the question, what purpose do they serve? They
definitely create additional administration because each maintains
a committer list and that list is not automatically representative
of the merger of all committers of all contained projects. So we
end up with these silly elections just to get access web/download
artifacts.
Regards
Ed Willink
On 14/07/2012 06:02, Ed Merks wrote:
As you may have noticed, I've been actively removing inactive
committers from the various modeling projects.
My next task is to terminate inactive projects themselves. The
following projects are targets for immediate termination:
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.pmf
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.tmf.tcs
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.mdt.uml2-tools
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.mdt.sbvr
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.mdt.imm
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.mdt.mst
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.gmt.viatra2
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.gmt.omcw
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.gmt.mofscript
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.gmt.gems
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.gmt
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.gmt.am3
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.emft.temporality
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.emft.servus
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.emft.search
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.emft.mxf
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.emft.mtf
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.emft.jcrm
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.emf.sdo
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.emft.emfatic
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.emft.emf4net
http://eclipse.org/projects/project.php?id=modeling.emft.mint
I'm in discussion with Yves Yang about PMF's future. I'm asking
Epsilon to absorb the code base from Emfatic. The UML2 Tools
code base will be absorbed as a GMF Tooling sample. Does anyone
have concerns or comments about this list? I.e., are there any
projects I should add to or remove from this list?
I'd also like to rethink the need for "umbrella projects." With
the current development processes and infastructure at Eclipse,
they no longer seem to serve a useful purpose. In fact,
maintaining an appropriate committer list for them is proving
problematic. In other words, I'm proposing to eliminate all of
the following:
The primary point to consider is that consumers could not
care less about hierarchical project structure. In fact, it's
likely they don't even care about project structure, period.
The consumers are interested in technologies and solutions
that they can apply to their problem domain. Overall, the
current website is worse than useless in terms addressing
consumer needs, though there are some notable project-specific
exceptions. Mostly the website is confusing, out-dated, and
disorganized resulting in an overall bad impression of our
excellent technologies. Picking an example close to home,
have a look at the EMF home page. "News" is from 2009? What
does that say about the project? In the end, that page more
of a dirty laundry list than anything useful for consumers.
And it's not the only example of that...
I think we need to start with a fresh website to ensure that
we arrive at something that's usable and easy to
maintain so that we never again end up in the state we're in
right now. I'd like throw out what have now in CVS and start
with a new basis that is maintained in git. The focus will be
on the "main" message on the landing page as well as
mechanisms for helping consumers find relevant technologies
and solutions that address their specific needs. I'll also
look at providing some exemplary project-specific home pages
to set the stage. Wayne's approach of automatically rendering
a home page from project metadata is something I'll look at
closely. Wouldn't it be nice to have a common and consistent
way to determine project-specific source repos, p2 repos,
forums, bug tracking, and so on? Of course I'll provide
ample opportunity for others to review the progress and to get
involved.
If any of you have have comments, criticisms, or concerns,
I'm happy to hear about them.
Regards,
Ed
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