Re: [jwt-dev] Re: GSoc - 2010

[hasano <mo.ais2010@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Florian, hi Christian,

my proposal also is available here: http://wiki.eclipse.org/JWT_BPMN_VIEW.
Christian, I think It's important to contact with other mentors, at
least with mentors of SOA project to make some advertisment for our
idea. I believe we should support their projects by voting for them
then they will increase our ranking too. Btw irc channel is very
helpful for this - see #gsoc, #eclipse-soc and other channels at
freenode.

--
Best regards,
Ilshat Khasanov

2010/4/9, Florian Lautenbacher <lautenbacher@xxxxxxxxxx>:
> Hi Ilshat, hi Chris,
>
> thanks for your proposal. Alas, only mentors of GSoC can read it, so I don't
> have permission this year to see it. But if Chris finds it cool, then I
> guess I can simply agree :-)
>
> Concerning the ranking process: last year all mentors were asked to rank the
> proposals. Therefore, it is necessary to make some advertisement throughout
> the proposals which means that e.g. all SOA-related mentors might give a +1
> for proposals in their area. The better a proposal sounds, the more votes it
> might become also from persons who are not involved in the project or in
> partner projects. So, please try to find a very short and precise
> description about the GSoC-project, maybe with some buzzwords, to attract a
> huge community.
> I hope you might be more successful than we've been last year when the
> proposal had two ranks missing and was not accepted.
>
> Best regards and good luck,
>
> Florian
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: jwt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jwt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] Im
> Auftrag von Christian Saad
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. April 2010 18:53
> An: hasano
> Cc: Java Workflow Toolbox
> Betreff: [jwt-dev] Re: GSoc - 2010
>
> Hi Ilshat,
>
> great to hear from you! I've seen you've already posted a WIP version of
> your proposal, keep up the good work :)
>
> There is actually very little information about the ranking process
> inside each organization. I only found this post by Wayne Beaton:
> http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/soc-dev/msg01008.html
>
> It is possible to give a score in Google's Tool but since I guess there
> will be mostly people which are themselves either mentors or students, I
> don't quite get the point.
>
> I'll CC this message to jwt-dev, I think Florian may have additional
> information since he once attended a GSoC BoF :)
>
> Regards,
> Christian
>
> Am 05.04.2010 06:04, schrieb hasano:
>> Hello Christian,
>>
>> sorry for my delay. I appreciated your step by step project
>> description and will try to update my proposal this evening. Do you
>> know about projects voting procedure (April 21)? Should other mentors
>> know about our work?
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Ilshat Khasanov
>>
>>
>> 2010/3/31, Christian Saad<christian.saad@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>> Hi Ilshat,
>>>
>>> as you mentioned, we should discuss the details of the proposal over the
>>> next few days.
>>> Since you already had a look at the JWT source and the wiki, maybe you've
>>> already acquired some basic idea of how this feature could be implemented
>>> but please don't hesitate to ask if anything is unclear.
>>>
>>> Our general idea was to use JWT's view mechanism to realize the BPMN view
> as
>>> an additional option to the existing views but limit the amount of
> changes
>>> the existing metamodel (some will probably nevertheless be necessary).
> There
>>> are in my opinion a few things in JWT which require improvement and
> possibly
>>> the addition of new features to make this happen.
>>>
>>> An overview of the steps to include BPMN would in my opinion look
> something
>>> like this:
>>>
>>> 1. Metamodels
>>> a) Study BPMN metamodel (BPMN2 specification)
>>> b) Map JWT elements to BPMN(2) elements where possible
>>> c) Define additional elements through aspects (e.g. Events)
>>> d) Extend/Refactor JWT metamodel where a) and b) are not possible
>>>
>>> 2. Extend Editor
>>> a) Allow a flexible hierarchy of graphical (Draw2d) elements (e.g. JWT
>>> Action Figures are currently contained in Scope Figures but for should
>>> probably be contained in JWT Roles which may correspond to BPMN
> swimlanes).
>>> This hierarchy is determined by the editparts. Also commands for creating
>>> elements may need to be adjusted to support this structure. My idea would
> be
>>> a mapping that allows to define an arbitrary tree hierarchy for JWT
> elements
>>> which is then used for graphical representation, emf commands (create
> child,
>>> ...), tree representation (e.g. outline view) etc.
>>> b) ... (to be determined)
>>>
>>> 3. Graphical View
>>> a) Define visual representation of meta model elements for BPMN (Figures,
>>> Icons)
>>> b) Allow GEF to correctly draw the visual representation (e.g. layouting
> of
>>> the swimlanes)
>>>
>>> Of course, it would probably be good to carry out these steps
> iteratively,
>>> maybe starting from a prototype implementation as you suggested, working
>>> your way up to the final version.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>> Von: hasano [mailto:mo.ais2010@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>> Gesendet: Montag, 29. März 2010 14:05
>>>> An: Christian Saad
>>>> Betreff: Re: GSoc - 2010
>>>>
>>>> Hi Christian,
>>>>
>>>> I expected a delay because of EclipseCon, that's ok but please keep in
>>>> mind the gsoc timeline. And yes, I figured out to concentrate on JWT
>>>> project :)
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Ilshat Khasanov
>>>>
>>>> email: mo.ais2010@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> skype: ilshat.khasanov
>>>> icq: 362144694
>>>>
>>>> 2010/3/29, Christian Saad<saad@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>>>> Hi Ilshat,
>>>>>
>>>>> sorry again for the delay, I didn't have Internet access the last few
>>>> days
>>>>> (I just returned from my trip to the US). I will get a few hours of
>>>> sleep
>>>>> and then finally catch up with the issues at hand, e.g. the
>>>> discussions in
>>>>> the mailing list.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>> PS: It's really great that you're showing that much initiative :)
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>>>>> Von: hasano [mailto:mo.ais2010@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 28. M?rz 2010 13:26
>>>>> An: Christian Saad
>>>>> Betreff: Re: GSoc - 2010
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Christian,
>>>>>
>>>>> how are you? I hope you have time to respond to my mail)
>>>>> The gsoc application process will start from March 29-th so I want to
>>>>> discuss my proposal details etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> PS. I installed the newest version of Eclipse and checked out the JWT
>>>>> sources according to [1]. I think It would be better to start coding
>>>>> some prototype ideas right now.
>>>>> [1] http://wiki.eclipse.org/JWT_CVS
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Ilshat Khasanov
>>>>>
>>>>> email: mo.ais2010@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>> skype: ilshat.khasanov
>>>>> icq: 362144694
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2010/3/22, hasano<mo.ais2010@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>>>>> That's right, this is unbelievable :D
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wow, Christian, are You in the California now?
>>>>>> Sounds good if You'll put a small hint about the project) What is
>>>> the
>>>>>> theme of this presentation? And I think that it will be good idea
>>>> also
>>>>>> to create discussion in the mailing list. Good luck in the
>>>> EclipseCon,
>>>>>> see You tomorrow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Ilshat
>>>>>>
>>>>>> email: mo.ais2010@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> skype: ilshat.khasanov
>>>>>> icq: 362144694
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2010/3/21, Christian Saad<christian.saad@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx-
>>>> augsburg.de>:
>>>>>>> ?????? Ilshat,
>>>>>>> (is this correct? if not, damn google)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> sorry for the delayed reply (had to get ready for the EclipseCon).
>>>> It's
>>>>>>> really great that you're interested in our GSOC proposal,
>>>> especially
>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>> you're not only experienced in programming but also worked with BPM
>>>> tools
>>>>>>> before :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The "creating buzz" issue is certainly an important one, I'll try
>>>> to put
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> small hint about this in our presentation. Tomorrow after -
>>>> hopefully - a
>>>>>>> good night's sleep I will get back to you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>> Christian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>>>>>>>> Von: MO 508 [mailto:mo.ais2010@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>>>>>> Gesendet: Samstag, 20. M?rz 2010 10:47
>>>>>>>> An: Christian Saad
>>>>>>>> Betreff: GSoc - 2010
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello, Christian.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Have You read my previous mail?
>>>>>>>> I've subscribed to jwt-dev and soc-dev mailing lists today.
>>>>>>>> I'm agree with Florian, "it?s important to create some buzz and
>>>> ads
>>>>>>>> about the topic in the community so many people will vote for the
>>>>>>>> topic as only the ones with most votes will be accepted" - we
>>>> should
>>>>>>>> discuss our plan asap to make the application competitive.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>> Ilshat Khasanov
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> email: mo.ais2010@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> skype: ilshat.khasanov
>>>>>>>> icq: 362144694
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
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