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AW: [jwt-dev] Re: GSoc - 2010
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Hi Ilshat, hi Chris,
thanks for your proposal. Alas, only mentors of GSoC can read it, so I don't
have permission this year to see it. But if Chris finds it cool, then I
guess I can simply agree :-)
Concerning the ranking process: last year all mentors were asked to rank the
proposals. Therefore, it is necessary to make some advertisement throughout
the proposals which means that e.g. all SOA-related mentors might give a +1
for proposals in their area. The better a proposal sounds, the more votes it
might become also from persons who are not involved in the project or in
partner projects. So, please try to find a very short and precise
description about the GSoC-project, maybe with some buzzwords, to attract a
huge community.
I hope you might be more successful than we've been last year when the
proposal had two ranks missing and was not accepted.
Best regards and good luck,
Florian
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: jwt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jwt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] Im
Auftrag von Christian Saad
Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. April 2010 18:53
An: hasano
Cc: Java Workflow Toolbox
Betreff: [jwt-dev] Re: GSoc - 2010
Hi Ilshat,
great to hear from you! I've seen you've already posted a WIP version of
your proposal, keep up the good work :)
There is actually very little information about the ranking process
inside each organization. I only found this post by Wayne Beaton:
http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/soc-dev/msg01008.html
It is possible to give a score in Google's Tool but since I guess there
will be mostly people which are themselves either mentors or students, I
don't quite get the point.
I'll CC this message to jwt-dev, I think Florian may have additional
information since he once attended a GSoC BoF :)
Regards,
Christian
Am 05.04.2010 06:04, schrieb hasano:
> Hello Christian,
>
> sorry for my delay. I appreciated your step by step project
> description and will try to update my proposal this evening. Do you
> know about projects voting procedure (April 21)? Should other mentors
> know about our work?
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Ilshat Khasanov
>
>
> 2010/3/31, Christian Saad<christian.saad@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>> Hi Ilshat,
>>
>> as you mentioned, we should discuss the details of the proposal over the
>> next few days.
>> Since you already had a look at the JWT source and the wiki, maybe you've
>> already acquired some basic idea of how this feature could be implemented
>> but please don't hesitate to ask if anything is unclear.
>>
>> Our general idea was to use JWT's view mechanism to realize the BPMN view
as
>> an additional option to the existing views but limit the amount of
changes
>> the existing metamodel (some will probably nevertheless be necessary).
There
>> are in my opinion a few things in JWT which require improvement and
possibly
>> the addition of new features to make this happen.
>>
>> An overview of the steps to include BPMN would in my opinion look
something
>> like this:
>>
>> 1. Metamodels
>> a) Study BPMN metamodel (BPMN2 specification)
>> b) Map JWT elements to BPMN(2) elements where possible
>> c) Define additional elements through aspects (e.g. Events)
>> d) Extend/Refactor JWT metamodel where a) and b) are not possible
>>
>> 2. Extend Editor
>> a) Allow a flexible hierarchy of graphical (Draw2d) elements (e.g. JWT
>> Action Figures are currently contained in Scope Figures but for should
>> probably be contained in JWT Roles which may correspond to BPMN
swimlanes).
>> This hierarchy is determined by the editparts. Also commands for creating
>> elements may need to be adjusted to support this structure. My idea would
be
>> a mapping that allows to define an arbitrary tree hierarchy for JWT
elements
>> which is then used for graphical representation, emf commands (create
child,
>> ...), tree representation (e.g. outline view) etc.
>> b) ... (to be determined)
>>
>> 3. Graphical View
>> a) Define visual representation of meta model elements for BPMN (Figures,
>> Icons)
>> b) Allow GEF to correctly draw the visual representation (e.g. layouting
of
>> the swimlanes)
>>
>> Of course, it would probably be good to carry out these steps
iteratively,
>> maybe starting from a prototype implementation as you suggested, working
>> your way up to the final version.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chris
>>
>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>> Von: hasano [mailto:mo.ais2010@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>> Gesendet: Montag, 29. März 2010 14:05
>>> An: Christian Saad
>>> Betreff: Re: GSoc - 2010
>>>
>>> Hi Christian,
>>>
>>> I expected a delay because of EclipseCon, that's ok but please keep in
>>> mind the gsoc timeline. And yes, I figured out to concentrate on JWT
>>> project :)
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Ilshat Khasanov
>>>
>>> email: mo.ais2010@xxxxxxxxx
>>> skype: ilshat.khasanov
>>> icq: 362144694
>>>
>>> 2010/3/29, Christian Saad<saad@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>>> Hi Ilshat,
>>>>
>>>> sorry again for the delay, I didn't have Internet access the last few
>>> days
>>>> (I just returned from my trip to the US). I will get a few hours of
>>> sleep
>>>> and then finally catch up with the issues at hand, e.g. the
>>> discussions in
>>>> the mailing list.
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>> PS: It's really great that you're showing that much initiative :)
>>>>
>>>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>>>> Von: hasano [mailto:mo.ais2010@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 28. M?rz 2010 13:26
>>>> An: Christian Saad
>>>> Betreff: Re: GSoc - 2010
>>>>
>>>> Hello Christian,
>>>>
>>>> how are you? I hope you have time to respond to my mail)
>>>> The gsoc application process will start from March 29-th so I want to
>>>> discuss my proposal details etc.
>>>>
>>>> PS. I installed the newest version of Eclipse and checked out the JWT
>>>> sources according to [1]. I think It would be better to start coding
>>>> some prototype ideas right now.
>>>> [1] http://wiki.eclipse.org/JWT_CVS
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Ilshat Khasanov
>>>>
>>>> email: mo.ais2010@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> skype: ilshat.khasanov
>>>> icq: 362144694
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2010/3/22, hasano<mo.ais2010@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>>>> That's right, this is unbelievable :D
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow, Christian, are You in the California now?
>>>>> Sounds good if You'll put a small hint about the project) What is
>>> the
>>>>> theme of this presentation? And I think that it will be good idea
>>> also
>>>>> to create discussion in the mailing list. Good luck in the
>>> EclipseCon,
>>>>> see You tomorrow.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Ilshat
>>>>>
>>>>> email: mo.ais2010@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>> skype: ilshat.khasanov
>>>>> icq: 362144694
>>>>>
>>>>> 2010/3/21, Christian Saad<christian.saad@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx-
>>> augsburg.de>:
>>>>>> ?????? Ilshat,
>>>>>> (is this correct? if not, damn google)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sorry for the delayed reply (had to get ready for the EclipseCon).
>>> It's
>>>>>> really great that you're interested in our GSOC proposal,
>>> especially
>>>>>> since
>>>>>> you're not only experienced in programming but also worked with BPM
>>> tools
>>>>>> before :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The "creating buzz" issue is certainly an important one, I'll try
>>> to put
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> small hint about this in our presentation. Tomorrow after -
>>> hopefully - a
>>>>>> good night's sleep I will get back to you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>> Christian
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>>>>>>> Von: MO 508 [mailto:mo.ais2010@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>>>>> Gesendet: Samstag, 20. M?rz 2010 10:47
>>>>>>> An: Christian Saad
>>>>>>> Betreff: GSoc - 2010
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello, Christian.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have You read my previous mail?
>>>>>>> I've subscribed to jwt-dev and soc-dev mailing lists today.
>>>>>>> I'm agree with Florian, "it?s important to create some buzz and
>>> ads
>>>>>>> about the topic in the community so many people will vote for the
>>>>>>> topic as only the ones with most votes will be accepted" - we
>>> should
>>>>>>> discuss our plan asap to make the application competitive.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>> Ilshat Khasanov
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> email: mo.ais2010@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> skype: ilshat.khasanov
>>>>>>> icq: 362144694
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
--
Dipl.-Inf. Christian Saad
Programming Distributed Systems Lab
Institute of Computer Science
University of Augsburg
Universitätsstr. 6a
86135 Augsburg, Germany
Tel: +49 821 598-2473
Fax: +49 821 598-2175
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