Re: [epp-dev] Still justified to ship Mylyn with almost all distribution

[Ed Willink <ed@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi

The compromise discussed on 
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=480696 seems appropriate.

Put Mylyn Tasks in the same view stack as the Outline.

Mylyn is a significant UI enrichment, useful for some. It deserves a 
prominent initial appearance. There are too many views to expect users 
to discover it and then Show View. Why isn't it in the Modelling EPP 
Modeling perspectivce?

Users who don't want Mylyn can easily close the view. Users who dislike 
Mylyn can roll their own Eclipse.

    Regards

        Ed Willink


On 04/07/2018 23:49, Lars Vogel wrote:
>   Hi,
>
> I think it is fine that Mylyn is include in the EPPs, as it is really
> stable and useful for its users.
>
> The one thing they could improve IMHO is not to add their views to
> standard perspectives. Several of my customers complained about that
> in the past. Not sure what the guidelines for Eclipse contributions
> are but Mylyn is AFAIK the only plug-in which does that.
>
> Unfortunately, https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=480696
> was rejected.
>
> So maybe an improvement would be to keep Mylyn but remove its views
> from standard perspectives? This would reduce annoyance for none Mylyn
> users and Mylyn users could simply open these views.
>
> Best regards, Lars
>
> On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 4:39 PM, Torkild U. Resheim <torkildr@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Hi Arne,
> >
> > The Git repository you've been looking at only contains build and distribution related stuff. So the commit messages would be just as you described.
> >
> > I assume when you say "Mylyn" you actually mean "Mylyn Tasks" which yes, is very mature and stable. So the activity in it's Git repository[1] would be a poor indicator of whether or not it is alive.
> >
> > I really do like Mylyn Tasks and use it all the time, I know many others do too. However bringing up this question is fair. We just find to find a usable metric to determine whether or not remove Mylyn Tasks from the distributions. It would be better to find out how many actually use it.
> >
> > Note that there is also Mylyn Docs (mature but still quite active), Mylyn Reviews (with the Gerrit connector Wayne), Mylyn Builds and Mylyn Versions.
> >
> > [1] http://git.eclipse.org/c/mylyn/org.eclipse.mylyn.tasks.git
> > --
> > Torkild Ulvøy Resheim
> > Senior Software Engineer at Itema AS
> > Granåsveien 3, 7069 Trondheim
> > +47 922 43 638
> > torkild.resheim@xxxxxxxx
> > www.itema.no
> >
> > > 4. jul. 2018 kl. 15:35 skrev Deutsch, Arne <Arne.Deutsch@xxxxxxxxx>:
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > not sure how requests to remove plugins from eclipse distributions are
> > > to be formulated nor how the process is to initiate such a removal. But
> > > what I observed is this: Mylyn seems to be more or less dead.
> > >
> > > If I look at the commit log there where 15 comits in the last 6 month.
> > >
> > >
> > > http://git.eclipse.org/c/mylyn/org.eclipse.mylyn.git/log/
> > >
> > >
> > > Mostly they were concerned with update of plugin versions and adaption
> > > to photon release. End of 2017 there where four month in succession
> > > without any commit at all. Hence from a community perspective there seem
> > > to be little interest to fix issues, let alone implement new features.
> > >
> > > One of the first things I do myself when starting a fresh eclipse is
> > > closing the Mylyn Task View. Probably there are users that actually use
> > > Mylyn. But my question is: Is it still justified to ship this plugin
> > > with almost all eclipse distributions?
> > >
> > >
> > > https://www.eclipse.org/downloads/compare.php?release=photon
> > >
> > >
> > > For me it would be better to remove it from eclipse main distributions
> > > and allow additional installation through an update site. I guess the
> > > majority will be more happy with smaller footprint, while users that
> > > actually need Mylyn can still install it. Happy for your feedback about
> > > this request.
> > >
> > > Kind regards,
> > > Arne Deutsch
> > >
> > >
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