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[epp-dev] EPP conference call
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Maybe the information was a bit 'hidden' in the emails of the last few days,
but today is e EPP conference call - see below for the call in numbers.
We could talk about the packages itself and the Ganymede M7 release yesterday
for hours, but I think we should concentrate on three things:
* EPP Graduation Review (next Tuesday) - any open issues?
http://www.eclipse.org/projects/whatsnew.php
* Packaging website - more feedback? open issues?
http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/packages/
* And about the new contributions: A RAP-based wizard and the p2-based
installer.
http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/epp-dev/msg00219.html
Thanks,
Markus
On Tuesday 13 May 2008, Ian Skerrett wrote:
> Yes we can use my conference bridge for a call tomorrow at 10.00 ottawa
> time.
>
> 1-613-287-8000
> 1-866-362-7064
> Passcode: 880932
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: epp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:epp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Markus Knauer
> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 4:36 PM
> To: Eclipse Packaging Project
> Subject: Re: [epp-dev] FW: EPP content wizard
>
> Good news at the end of a long day!
>
> With this contribution, we hopefully can integrate the p2-based installer
> with
> the initial Ganymede release and do not have to wait until fall.
>
> I highly appreciate this offer and would be happy to integrate this code
> contribution into EPP. And it is even better if we have the creators of
> this
>
> code as committers on the project.
>
> @ Ian, can we organize a conference call on Wednesday with your call in
> number? Usual time 4pm CEST / 10am EDT? This would be one item to discuss
> on
>
> the call.
>
> Regards,
> Markus
>
> On Monday 12 May 2008, Jeff McAffer wrote:
> > I like the suggested presentation of the wizard. We do not want to
> > supplant the packages but rather allow the users to augment them.
> >
> >
> >
> > As for where the code should go, I humbly suggest that it be part of EPP
> > and even more humbly suggest that Jordi and I be voted in as EPP
>
> committers
>
> > with a mission of developing and maintaining the code. What we have now
>
> is
>
> > a prototype and has been developed explicitly for this context over the
> > past week. I don't see any particular IP hurdle. Either we commit it as
> > committers or we contribute it and run it through the mill. The code is
> > quite small.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> >
> > From: epp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:epp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf Of Ian Skerrett
> > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 2:39 PM
> > To: 'Eclipse Packaging Project'
> > Subject: RE: [epp-dev] FW: EPP content wizard
> >
> >
> >
> > I think it is a great idea and it would be great to see for Ganymede. Of
> > course the risk is that it doesn't work but I think we can mitigate the
> > risk by 1) having awesome developers work on it, and 2) making sure it is
> > optional, so we can bring it down if it doesn't work.
> >
> >
> >
> > What I would suggest is that on the new package site we add a 'customize'
> > button. This would allow each package to be customized; the starting
>
> point
>
> > can be the package contents but then the user can add or delete the
> > contents using the wizard. The one thing I would like to see part of all
> > installs is the UDC component.
> >
> >
> >
> > Btw, where would this code reside? Do we need to put this through the IP
> > process?
> >
> >
> >
> > Ian
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: epp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:epp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf Of Jeff McAffer
> > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 1:44 PM
> > To: epp-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [epp-dev] FW: EPP content wizard
> >
> >
> >
> > Sigh, this is a resend as the original did not seem to get through.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Jeff McAffer [mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 1:01 PM
> > To: 'epp-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx'
> > Subject: EPP content wizard
> >
> >
> >
> > I was in Germany last week for JAX and Eclipse Forum Europe. While there
>
> a
>
> > group of people got talking about Eclipse, Ganymede, EPP, p2, etc and end
> > user experiences in getting Eclipse. One of the ideas that surfaced was
> > creating a RAP-based wizard that would allow people to select a package
>
> and
>
> > then refine the contents of the package. After completing the wizard
>
> users
>
> > would get a p2-based installer that would install the profile they just
> > described.
> >
> >
> >
> > This seemed like a really cool direction so Jordi Lopez and I spent a bit
> > of time talking about if this could work, how it would work etc. It
>
> seemed
>
> > feasible so we started to scratch together some code to actually do it.
> > That has progressed but is not demo-able yet.
> >
> >
> >
> > We had a brief discussion with Markus and he rightly suggested that we
> > surface the idea to the EPP community before it goes much further. So,
> > we can get into more technical detail etc but first,
> >
> >
> >
> > 1) Is this something in which the EPP community is interested?
> >
> > 2) If so, where/how should the work be done? I am volunteering Code
>
> 9
>
> > to do the p2 side of things and Jordi/Innoopract is game for the RAP
> > side.
> >
> >
> >
> > The value in doing this are multi-fold:
> >
> > - Users should get a better experience when they need more than
> > just one of the canned packages
> >
> > - Projects that are not part of one of the packages get more
> > exposure by being offered as part of the wizard
> >
> > - This is a great demo for Eclipse technology such as RAP,
>
> Equinox
>
> > on the server, p2, .
> >
> >
> >
> > I understand that flavors of this topic have been discussed here before
>
> and
>
> > apologize if this is a rehashing and to be absolutely clear, EPP should
> > still offer the download zips. The wizard idea would just augment the
> > story. If it turns out not to work, we do not need to make it visible.
> >
> >
> >
> > In any event, the idea of a wizard for selecting content is, IMHO,
> > particularly compelling and I think we have a real shot at making it
> > happen. What do you think?
> >
> >
> >
> > Jeff
>
