RE: [epp-dev] FW: EPP content wizard

["Ian Skerrett" <ian.skerrett@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Yes we can use my conference bridge for a call tomorrow at 10.00 ottawa
time.

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1-866-362-7064
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-----Original Message-----
From: epp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:epp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Markus Knauer
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 4:36 PM
To: Eclipse Packaging Project
Subject: Re: [epp-dev] FW: EPP content wizard

Good news at the end of a long day!

With this contribution, we hopefully can integrate the p2-based installer
with 
the initial Ganymede release and do not have to wait until fall.

I highly appreciate this offer and would be happy to integrate this code 
contribution into EPP. And it is even better if we have the creators of this

code as committers on the project.

@ Ian, can we organize a conference call on Wednesday with your call in 
number? Usual time 4pm CEST / 10am EDT? This would be one item to discuss on

the call.

Regards,
Markus



On Monday 12 May 2008, Jeff McAffer wrote:
> I like the suggested presentation of the wizard.  We do not want to
> supplant the packages but rather allow the users to augment them.
>
>
>
> As for where the code should go, I humbly suggest that it be part of EPP
> and even more humbly suggest that Jordi and I be voted in as EPP
committers
> with a mission of developing and maintaining the code.  What we have now
is
> a prototype and has been developed explicitly for this context over the
> past week.  I don't see any particular IP hurdle.  Either we commit it as
> committers or we contribute it and run it through the mill.  The code is
> quite small.
>
>
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> From: epp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:epp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Ian Skerrett
> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 2:39 PM
> To: 'Eclipse Packaging Project'
> Subject: RE: [epp-dev] FW: EPP content wizard
>
>
>
> I think it is a great idea and it would be great to see for Ganymede.  Of
> course the risk is that it doesn't work but I think we can mitigate the
> risk by 1) having awesome developers work on it, and 2) making sure it is
> optional, so we can bring it down if it doesn't work.
>
>
>
> What I would suggest is that on the new package site we add a 'customize'
> button.  This would allow each package to be customized; the starting
point
> can be the package contents but then the user can add or delete the
> contents using the wizard.  The one thing I would like to see part of all
> installs is the UDC component.
>
>
>
> Btw, where would this code reside?  Do we need to put this through the IP
> process?
>
>
>
> Ian
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>   _____
>
> From: epp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:epp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Jeff McAffer
> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 1:44 PM
> To: epp-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [epp-dev] FW: EPP content wizard
>
>
>
> Sigh, this is a resend as the original did not seem to get through.
>
>
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> From: Jeff McAffer [mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 1:01 PM
> To: 'epp-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx'
> Subject: EPP content wizard
>
>
>
> I was in Germany last week for JAX and Eclipse Forum Europe.  While there
a
> group of people got talking about Eclipse, Ganymede, EPP, p2, etc and end
> user experiences in getting Eclipse.  One of the ideas that surfaced was
> creating a RAP-based wizard that would allow people to select a package
and
> then refine the contents of the package.  After completing the wizard
users
> would get a p2-based installer that would install the profile they just
> described.
>
>
>
> This seemed like a really cool direction so Jordi Lopez and I spent a bit
> of time talking about if this could work, how it would work etc.  It
seemed
> feasible so we started to scratch together some code to actually do it.
> That has progressed but is not demo-able yet.
>
>
>
> We had a brief discussion with Markus and he rightly suggested that we
> surface the idea to the EPP community before it goes much further.  So, we
> can get into more technical detail etc but first,
>
>
>
> 1)      Is this something in which the EPP community is interested?
>
> 2)      If so, where/how should the work be done?  I am volunteering Code
9
> to do the p2 side of things and Jordi/Innoopract is game for the RAP side.
>
>
>
> The value in doing this are multi-fold:
>
> -          Users should get a better experience when they need more than
> just one of the canned packages
>
> -          Projects that are not part of one of the packages get more
> exposure by being offered as part of the wizard
>
> -          This is a great demo for Eclipse technology such as RAP,
Equinox
> on the server, p2, .
>
>
>
> I understand that flavors of this topic have been discussed here before
and
> apologize if this is a rehashing and to be absolutely clear, EPP should
> still offer the download zips.  The wizard idea would just augment the
> story.  If it turns out not to work, we do not need to make it visible.
>
>
>
> In any event, the idea of a wizard for selecting content is, IMHO,
> particularly compelling and I think we have a real shot at making it
> happen. What do you think?
>
>
>
> Jeff

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