Re: [epp-dev] FW: EPP content wizard

[Pascal Rapicault <Pascal_Rapicault@xxxxxxxxxx>]

One of the worry raised in the past was the maturity of the p2 installer as well as the lack of native integration [1]. Our position has not changed on that front and we really appreciate your improvement to the installer. That said, the installer is one thing but the runtimes aspects that go with enabling bundle pooling are also a worry. As such I would appreciate if the EPP wizard could be delivered with the provision that this is based on "early access" technology [1], thus matching the p2 and platform team statements. Is that ok?
Of course, I'm still very excited to the idea and eager to see it coming to life, especially since after heard about it for so long.

On another related issue with EPP and p2
Does that mean that the EPP downloads will also be created as a result of a p2 operation [2]? It seems to me that creating a "best of the breed" p2 enabled download, even though a disjoint effort, is as important, is not more for the user experience.

PaScaL

[1] http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/epp-dev/msg00207.html
[2] http://wiki.eclipse.org/Equinox_p2_director_application


"Jeff McAffer" ---05/12/2008 01:46:08 PM---Sigh, this is a resend as the original did not seem to get through…

From:	"Jeff McAffer" <jeff@xxxxxxxxx>
To:	<epp-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date:	05/12/2008 01:46 PM
Subject:	[epp-dev] FW: EPP content wizard

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Sigh, this is a resend as the original did not seem to get through…  
 
Jeff
 
From: Jeff McAffer [mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 1:01 PM
To: 'epp-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: EPP content wizard
 
I was in Germany last week for JAX and Eclipse Forum Europe.  While there a group of people got talking about Eclipse, Ganymede, EPP, p2, etc and end user experiences in getting Eclipse.  One of the ideas that surfaced was creating a RAP-based wizard that would allow people to select a package and then refine the contents of the package.  After completing the wizard users would get a p2-based installer that would install the profile they just described.  
 
This seemed like a really cool direction so Jordi Lopez and I spent a bit of time talking about if this could work, how it would work etc.  It seemed feasible so we started to scratch together some code to actually do it.  That has progressed but is not demo-able yet.  
 
We had a brief discussion with Markus and he rightly suggested that we surface the idea to the EPP community before it goes much further.  So, we can get into more technical detail etc but first,

1) Is this something in which the EPP community is interested?
2) If so, where/how should the work be done? I am volunteering Code 9 to do the p2 side of things and Jordi/Innoopract is game for the RAP side.

The value in doing this are multi-fold:

- Users should get a better experience when they need more than just one of the canned packages
- Projects that are not part of one of the packages get more exposure by being offered as part of the wizard
- This is a great demo for Eclipse technology such as RAP, Equinox on the server, p2, …

I understand that flavors of this topic have been discussed here before and apologize if this is a rehashing and to be absolutely clear, EPP should still offer the download zips.  The wizard idea would just augment the story.  If it turns out not to work, we do not need to make it visible.
 
In any event, the idea of a wizard for selecting content is, IMHO, particularly compelling and I think we have a real shot at making it happen.  What do you think?
 
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