Re: [epf-dev] Re: Re: XP/Scrum EPF plugins

["Scott W. Ambler" <swa@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Mon, August 7, 2006 1:05 pm, Christoph Steindl said:
> I showed the plug-in to Ken Schwaber. While he liked the idea of a Scrum
> plugin, he didn't like that it was based on this detailed description of
> Scrum.
> To quote him: "The Scrum Methodology isn't to describe Scrum
> effectively, and I've often regretted writing it since it makes it look
> like a methodology cookbook. As such, I certainly don't want it being
> used to further describe what Scrum is."

And yet he keeps on writing......

I think that the real goal should be to provide a decent and useful
overview of Scrum.  We don't need to write a huge book, but a 10 page
guideline would probably do it.

> He also said that the Scrum plugin should me more than a redistribution
> of existing material.

Yes, our best bet is to summarize and then perhaps point to good resources.

>
> Therefore, I got into contact with Michael Vizdos (Scrum Master Trainer)
> but we didn't actually do work together - at least not until now.

Can we hand this effort off to Mike?

- Scott

>
> I've also met Jim Highsmith in Munich - the idea was to create a plugin
> with agile basics that could be the base for plugins with additional
> techniques (like agile modeling, user-stories based estimation and
> planning, technical practices, configuration management, leadership and
> team development, focused improvement, retrospectives, etc.).
> We wanted to stay in touch, discuss the idea at the Agile 2006
> conference and lay out the plan for future work.
>
> Somehow, I became bottlenecked. It's difficult to build up a new
> consulting company and do a lot of other things along the side.
>
> If someone else (with more free capacity) likes to take over the
> initiative, I'm more than willing to assist and explain what work has
> already been done, who has already been involved, etc.
>
> Unfortunately, I don't think that I will be able to push the idea myself
> in the near future.
>
>     Christoph
>
> epf-dev-request@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:48:00 -0400 (EDT)
>> From: "Scott W. Ambler" <swa@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: Re: [epf-dev] XP/Scrum EPF plugins
>> To: chris.armstrong@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,	"Eclipse Process Framework
>> 	Project Developers List" <epf-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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>>
>> ObjectMentor was working on the XP baseline.
>>
>> Christoph Steindl was heading up the Scrum plug-in effort although I
>> haven't heard anything from him lately.  I'll ping him.
>>
>> - Scott
>>
>> On Sat, August 5, 2006 11:44 am, Chris Armstrong said:
>>
>>> I've heard that one or many groups outside of EPF have used Composer to
>>> build XP/Scrum-like plugins. Does anyone know if this is true, and if
>>> so,
>>> where one would find them?
>>>
>>> Thanks, Chris ~:|
>>>
>>> Chris Armstrong ~:|
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