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RE: [e4-dev] Introduction::UFace, PMF & Flowr
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Olivier,
Of course I completely agree with Amsterdam as the perfect place to meet ;-)
To be fair Olivier, if nobody else will come and it's just the two of us before EclipseCon we could meet halfway in Belgium.
Tom/Hallvard, are you able to come to Amsterdam for a weekend?
Regards,
Jim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: e4-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:e4-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Olivier Moïses
> Sent: dinsdag 10 februari 2009 14:38
> To: E4 Project developer mailing list
> Subject: Re: [e4-dev] Introduction::UFace, PMF & Flowr
>
> Hi All,
>
> Having a meeting together before EclipseCon sounds really good for me.
> Due to business constrainsts, I'd hugely prefer having this meeting
> during a weekend instead of usual working days (I know, everybody works
> also during the weekend !! :-) ).
> Regarding the meeting location, I suggest Amsterdam wich is easily
> reachable by plane, train, car, boat, etc...
>
> Olivier
>
> PS: Hallvard, I'd like to visit Norway, but for this I guess I need
> more
> than 1 or 2 days ;-)
>
> Jim van Dam a écrit :
> > Hi Hallvard/All,
> >
> >
> >>> And Jim, Norway is a wonderful place to ski, although it is still a
> bit
> >>> early with short days. What kind of skiiing do you do, downhill or
> snowboard?
> >>>
> >
> > Downhill, but currently it is mostly son-to-son ( I have four sons
> aged 2-5-7-9).
> > In the past I visited Norway (Oslo and south coast) and liked it very
> much.
> >
> > Does everyone have time to meet before EclipseCon and what week would
> be best?
> > For me week 9-12 is ok except March 3rd and 16th.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: e4-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:e4-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> On
> >> Behalf Of Hallvard Trætteberg
> >> Sent: maandag 9 februari 2009 22:08
> >> To: E4 Project developer mailing list
> >> Subject: Re: [e4-dev] Introduction::UFace, PMF & Flowr
> >>
> >> Jim van Dam wrote:
> >>
> >>> Next week I'll be skiing (Switzerland not Austria, sorry Tom), but
> >>> after that I am willing to travel to any of the four countries or
> >>> welcome you in the Netherlands before EclipseCon to get things
> kicked
> >>>
> >> off.
> >>
> >> I will not be able to go to EclipseCon, but I would be very happy to
> >> attend a
> >> "local" European Declarative UI meeting later this year.
> >>
> >> And Jim, Norway is a wonderful place to ski, although it is still a
> bit
> >> early
> >> with short days. What kind of skiiing do you do, downhill or
> snowboard?
> >>
> >> Hallvard
> >>
> >>
> >>> Jim
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Tom Schindl [mailto:tom.schindl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >>>> Sent: maandag 9 februari 2009 15:05
> >>>> To: Robert Wloch
> >>>> Cc: jim van dam; tom herrmann; helmar behrends
> >>>> Subject: Re: [e4-dev] Introduction::UFace, PMF & Flowr
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi All,
> >>>>
> >>>> It looks like we are all located in Western Europe (Netherlands,
> >>>> Germany, Austria) so we should maybe be able to arrange a meeting
> >>>> somewhere in the middle (presumably after EclipseCon).
> >>>>
> >>>> In fact even when looking at the greater circle of Declarative UI
> >>>> people
> >>>> it looks Europe rules in this area:
> >>>> - Hallvard Trætteberg - Norway
> >>>> - Olivier Moïses - France
> >>>> - Angelo Zerr - France
> >>>> - Yves Yang - France
> >>>> - Jim Van Dam - Netherlands
> >>>> - Tom Herrmann - Germany (assumed)
> >>>> - Helmar Behrends - Germany (assumed)
> >>>> - Robert Wloch - Germany
> >>>> - Tom Schindl - Austria
> >>>>
> >>>> At least Jim, Olivier, Yves and me are at EclipseCon and can meet
> >>>>
> >> there
> >>
> >>>> (I'll arrive Friday evening and stay at Hilton).
> >>>>
> >>>> We could meet somewhere in the middle to kick off the
> collabortation
> >>>>
> >> -
> >>
> >>>> I
> >>>> think we need to meet in person to get the collaboration started.
> >>>>
> >>>> I have no problem traveling to Germany/Netherlands/... but you
> could
> >>>> also come to Austria if you'd like to.
> >>>>
> >>>> Tom
> >>>>
> >>>> Robert Wloch schrieb:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Tom, Jim,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm glad you both see the same opportunity on collaboration here!
> >>>>>
> >>>> Unfortunately I won't be at the EclipseCon and it won't be
> possible
> >>>>
> >> for
> >>
> >>>> me to attend either, as I'll be at the MDD&PL 2009 in the very
> same
> >>>> week. So what's your suggestion for a get together? I'll also CC
> Tom
> >>>> Herrmann and Helmar Behrends from the Flowr team, as they'd be
> >>>> interested in a common talk, too.
> >>>>
> >>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>> Rob
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- "Jim van Dam" <jim.van.dam@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hello Rob,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Rob> > I've taken a look at UFace and PMF during the past days
> and
> >>>>>> both
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> interest me a lot. To me it appears as if both projects are a
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> natural
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> symbiosis.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Tom> Are you going to be on EclipseCon? If yes we should all
> meet
> >>>>>>
> >>>> like
> >>>>
> >>>>>> on
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ESE and talk how we could collaborate.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Completely agree with you and Tom and see a lot of opportunity
> for
> >>>>>> collaboration.
> >>>>>> PMF is aiming at UI modeling/transformation from PIM to a
> diverse
> >>>>>>
> >>>> set
> >>>>
> >>>>>> of target platforms.
> >>>>>> My personal UI target platform experience using PMF is with
> Swing,
> >>>>>> ASP.Net/SharePoint and JSF so together we can cover a broad
> >>>>>>
> >> spectrum.
> >>
> >>>>>> Looking forward to meeting you all at EclipseCon. I arrive on
> >>>>>>
> >>>> Saturday
> >>>>
> >>>>>> and I believe there are different BOFS proposed for UI related
> >>>>>> subjects so lots of opportunity to see how we can arrange joint
> >>>>>> efforts.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jim
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>> From: e4-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:e4-dev-
> >>>>>>>
> >> bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> >>
> >>>>>> On
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Behalf Of Tom Schindl
> >>>>>>> Sent: zondag 8 februari 2009 22:09
> >>>>>>> To: E4 Project developer mailing list
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [e4-dev] Introduction
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hi Rob,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> As the project lead of UFaceKit I'm always open for discussion
> >>>>>>>
> >> and
> >>
> >>>>>>> collobaration.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I agree about that it looks like we 3 would we a perfect match.
> >>>>>>>
> >> As
> >>
> >>>>>> you
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> maybe already found out UFaceKit has quite a simple concept by
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> defining
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> a set of interfaces and a factory to create the concrete
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> implementation.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Currently we have first class support for:
> >>>>>>> - SWT & JFace
> >>>>>>> - QT
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Second class support for:
> >>>>>>> - Swing (in fact only need to implement the styleing stuff)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Incubation work for:
> >>>>>>> - Native GWT
> >>>>>>> - SmartGWT
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> First ideas on:
> >>>>>>> - Draw2d
> >>>>>>> - Android
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'd welcome any feedback and input (I desperately search for
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> skilled
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Swing-Devs) as you can imagine is hard to find for someone like
> >>>>>>>
> >> me.
> >>
> >>>>>>> Are you going to be on EclipseCon? If yes we should all meet
> like
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> on
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ESE
> >>>>>>> and talk how we could collaborate. Maybe I also need to mention
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> that
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> there's no fulltime coder working on UFaceKit (we are all doing
> >>>>>>>
> >> the
> >>
> >>>>>>> stuff in our spare time!).
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Tom
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Robert Wloch schrieb:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Angelo, Ed, and all others thanks for your responses.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I've taken a look at UFace and PMF during the past days and
> both
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> interest me a lot. To me it appears as if both projects are a
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> natural
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> symbiosis.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> In the team I was working in from 2006 until 2008 we were
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> developing
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> something very similar to the PMF combined with UFace, except
> >>>>>>>
> >> that
> >>
> >>>>>> "our
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> UFace" consisted of a Swing and an AJAX renderer only.
> >>>>>>>
> >> Additionally
> >>
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> layout of our GUI was declared via XML files, catchword
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> "declarative
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> UI". Currently, my old team is recoding our first shot and made
> >>>>>>>
> >> it
> >>
> >>>>>> open
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> source: http://www.flowr.org. I believe these three parties
> >>>>>>>
> >> (UFace,
> >>
> >>>>>> PMF,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Flowr) should talk with each other soon. ;-)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Anyways, I'd be glad to contribute my share of labor and
> >>>>>>>>
> >> knowledge
> >>
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> PMF and UFace. Any help on how to get on board is greatly
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> appreciated!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>> Rob
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