Re: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011

[Alena Laskavaia <elaskavaia.cdt@xxxxxxxxx>]

The largest room I can book in RIM is for 25 people. Assuming this
would be in Ottawa, Mid-End September can you please update wiki page
to see would go, so I can count.

On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Marc Khouzam
<marc.khouzam@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Thanks Elena, that would be great.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alena Laskavaia
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 11:26 AM
>> To: CDT General developers list.
>> Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011
>>
>> I will talk to RIM about face-to-face in September (Ottawa), if
>> anybody is still interested
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Marc Khouzam
>> <marc.khouzam@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > So we all agree that we need two things:
>> > 1- some type of planning meeting in September
>> > 2- a face-to-face meeting at some point
>> >
>> > Up to now, no one has stepped-up to organize a face-to-face
>> in September (or
>> > another time).
>> > (Doing it at Ericsson was a lot of work for me last year so
>> I like the
>> > EclipseCon idea better).
>> > Unless Chris thinks it can be done at IBM...
>> >
>> > So I suggest we try to plan the face-to-face for EclipseCon
>> or else we might
>> > not have a face-to-face
>> > at all.  Note that the OSGi DevCon has been doing the same
>> for some time.
>> >
>> > Last year, the multi-core debug meeting was a big success.
>> However, having
>> > only one timeslot
>> > left me with the feeling of unfinished business.  I think
>> we should plan for
>> > two days and have a
>> > detailed agenda, people can then decide if they want stay
>> for the full two
>> > days or not.
>> >
>> > Sunday-Monday is the option that allows us to be in the best shape.
>> > Thursday-Friday avoids having to work on the weekend.
>> > Sunday-Friday does not overlap with EclipseCon, but will be
>> exhausting
>> > We can try to figure out what the community likes best on the wiki.
>> >
>> > The nice thing about all this is that it is very low
>> risk/effort.  It is
>> > almost a freebie with EclipseCon.
>> >
>> > What is somewhat urgent is knowing which days we could get
>> a big enough room
>> > at EclipseCon.
>> > It does not matter which days we prefer if we can't get a
>> room (and a
>> > projector) for those days.
>> >
>> > Doug, as the puppet master this year :-) can you tell us
>> which days would be
>> > best for a room (or two)?
>> > I can then update the wiki to see what the community
>> response will be.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > Marc
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> > Behalf Of Schaefer, Doug
>> > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 4:46 PM
>> > To: CDT General developers list.
>> > Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011
>> >
>> > Sure, we can offer up the options.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I plan on being very busy at EclipseCon, though, and will
>> not attend full
>> > day sessions for CDT. But you don't need me there for the
>> whole thing.
>> > Everything I need to participate in will happen in September.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Doug.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> > Behalf Of Dominique Toupin
>> > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 4:32 PM
>> > To: CDT General developers list.
>> > Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I agree that we might be tired on Friday, however people
>> might prefer to do
>> > that instead of having a second trip.
>> >
>> > We can also investigate other options like Sun-Mon (like
>> the IBM Rational
>> > conf :-).
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Maybe we can put the different options (Thu-Fri, Sun-Mon,
>> Sun and Thu) on
>> > the wiki and see what the developers prefer.
>> >
>> > The last summit was 3 days and we had to close the
>> registration because too
>> > many people wanted to come, we will have plenty of things
>> to discuss for at
>> > least 2 days.
>> >
>> > Having just a few hours doesn't seem to be enough.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> >
>> > From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> > Behalf Of Schaefer, Doug
>> > Sent: 18-Jul-11 15:56
>> > To: CDT General developers list.
>> > Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011
>> >
>> > I dunno, I still have the mental scars from our last
>> attempt at a EcilpseCon
>> > Friday meeting (way burned out by then).
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > But I will have a pretty big room if tradition holds and
>> will throw a CDT
>> > party some time during the week J.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Doug.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> > Behalf Of Marc Khouzam
>> > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 3:30 PM
>> > To: 'CDT General developers list.'
>> > Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The idea of an eSummit in September is probably the easiest
>> way to get the
>> > plan done for Juno and get things started.
>> >
>> > I like that.  But I also agree that the face-to-face part
>> is very valuable.
>> > So, the idea of having the same type of
>> >
>> > meeting as last year, but co-located with EclipseCon,
>> sounds great to me.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From what we saw in previous years, we need enough time to
>> discuss the many
>> > different topics, and to allow
>> >
>> > people to find their common interests and see how they can
>> collaborate
>> > together.  And we also need
>> >
>> > time for deep dives such as multi-core, build, codan, etc.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Co-locating a full CDT Summit with EclipseCon
>> (Thursday/Friday) only extends
>> > the trip by one day, and we get the full
>> >
>> > benefit of a face-face event.  And organization will be
>> much easier :-)  It
>> > may also help some people justify going to
>> >
>> > EclipseCon as a two-in-one trip.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > So, couldn't we plan a two-day face-to-face CDT Summit on
>> the Thursday and
>> > Friday of EclipseCon?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Marc
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> >
>> > From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> > Behalf Of Schaefer, Doug
>> > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 2:58 PM
>> > To: CDT General developers list.
>> > Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011
>> >
>> > Yes, I wasn't talking about replacing the face to face,
>> just having that
>> > component at EclipseCon. I tend to meet more new community
>> members at
>> > EclipseCon than the CDT Summit anyway.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > We do need to have a plan in place by the end of September
>> (and the Eclipse
>> > board would actually prefer we have it earlier, but we get
>> some leeway
>> > there), and should have interactive meetings on the issues
>> we need to
>> > address and new features that feed into that plan. And it's
>> pretty much a
>> > given now that not every committer is able to make a summit
>> anyway, I think
>> > an eSummit would fill our needs. And next year, if someone
>> wants to hold it
>> > and organize early, we can try again at a full summit.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > :D
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> > Behalf Of Marc-Andre Laperle
>> > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 2:45 PM
>> > To: CDT General developers list.
>> > Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > March 26-29 is really late in the development cycle. To me,
>> the summit
>> > should be about planning Juno, discussing architecture,
>> potential solutions
>> > to hard problems we want fixed in Juno.
>> >
>> > On 11-07-18 2:22 PM, Dominique Toupin wrote:
>> >
>> > Replacing a 3 days face to face summit by an online meeting
>> will not benefit
>> > the community, I think its very good if we can keep the
>> face to face event.
>> >
>> > Many people dial-in but they typically work on something
>> else, we do not
>> > have the evening/lunch event when people can discuss further, etc.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Looking at other open source projects/foundations they do a lot of
>> > co-located events (e.g LinuxCon and Tracing Summit), I had
>> a quick chat with
>> > Ian from the Eclipse Foundation, he thinks it's a good idea
>> to co-locate the
>> > summit with EclipseCon, possibly Thursday/Friday as long as
>> we plan ahead to
>> > ensure we have a conf room available at
>> http://reston.hyatt.com (as program
>> > chair, I am sure you can make it happen).
>> >
>> > Co-locating with EclipseCon has a few benefits:
>> >
>> >  - Less travel (EclipseCon + Summit same place/date)
>> >
>> >  - No sponsors/funding to find
>> >
>> >  - No local logistics (room, special events, lunch, dinner, etc.)
>> >
>> >  - more developers are likely to come
>> >
>> >  - Reston is 8.5 hours drive from Toronto
>> >
>> >  - etc.
>> >
>> > The only down side I see is it's not a good timing to plan
>> for the next
>> > release so we could do as you suggested i.e. an online
>> meeting in September
>> > but hopefully a short one maybe half a day to start and
>> then we can see if
>> > we need extra ones for specific topics e.g. multi-core debug.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Co-locating with EclipseCon seems quite future proof to me,
>> what do you
>> > think?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> >
>> > From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> > Behalf Of Schaefer, Doug
>> > Sent: 18-Jul-11 11:24
>> > To: CDT General developers list.
>> > Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011
>> >
>> > I agree. The time is pretty short to organize a full blown summit in
>> > September. But, we still need to have planning meetings to
>> set the agenda
>> > for CDT in Juno.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > What I'd like to propose is an eSummit instead using a
>> conference bridge and
>> > Webex. I was thinking of a block of four hours running
>> noon-3 Ottawa time
>> > (give or take), which allows for evening in Europe and morning in
>> > California. We could start with two days like that and
>> expand if needed.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I would then propose that we have a CDT get-together at
>> EclipseCon next
>> > March. We had a really nice multi-core meeting last year
>> and could do that
>> > for CDT in general. We could do it for a couple of hours
>> and be separate
>> > from the BOF which is a more open meeting.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > What do you think?
>> >
>> > Doug.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> > Behalf Of Dominique Toupin
>> > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 9:06 AM
>> > To: CDT General developers list.
>> > Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi Doug,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > It's not easy to plan/organize the CDT summit in the middle
>> of summer for a
>> > date in Sept/Oct:
>> >
>> >  - many people are on vacation, it's hard to get developers
>> to register;
>> >
>> >  - organizing the logistic in the middle of summer was not
>> easy for us last
>> > year again because of many people on vacations and it was
>> hard to get big
>> > conf room for Sept;
>> >
>> >  - in July many people are already booked for business trips in the
>> > fall e.g. myself, Elena, Marc, etc. if know more in
>> advanced it will be
>> > easier to plan around the summit date;
>> >
>> >  - fall is a busy time of the year for many people,
>> May/June is the Eclipse
>> > release crunch and March is EclipseCon...;
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > To get more developers to join the summit we could either:
>> >
>> >  - do the plan/organization after the Eclipse release and
>> held the summit in
>> > Dec/Jan
>> >
>> >  - do the plan/org in May and held the summit in Sept/Oct
>> >
>> >  - looking back at last March EclipseCon we could
>> investigate if we can do
>> > it Thursday and Friday
>> > (http://www.eclipsecon.org/2011/program/?programdate=2011-03-24)
>> >
>> >  - we could even investigate if we can do it together with
>> the GCC summit
>> > (http://www.gccsummit.org)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Best Regards,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Dominique
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> >
>> > From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> > Behalf Of Schaefer, Doug
>> > Sent: 8-Jul-11 14:20
>> > To: cdt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Subject: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011
>> >
>> > Hey gang,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Just a reminder to sign up for CDT Summit 2011 at
>> > http://wiki.eclipse.org/CDT/summitfall2011. Notice a few
>> signed up already.
>> > The more that show interest, the more we'll realize we
>> really need to have
>> > one again J.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Doug.
>> >
>> >
>> >
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