Re: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011

[Alena Laskavaia <elaskavaia.cdt@xxxxxxxxx>]

We booked Sept 21-23 (Wed-Fri)

On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Alena Laskavaia
<elaskavaia.cdt@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> The largest room I can book in RIM is for 25 people. Assuming this
> would be in Ottawa, Mid-End September can you please update wiki page
> to see would go, so I can count.
>
> On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Marc Khouzam
> <marc.khouzam@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Thanks Elena, that would be great.
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alena Laskavaia
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 11:26 AM
>>> To: CDT General developers list.
>>> Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011
>>>
>>> I will talk to RIM about face-to-face in September (Ottawa), if
>>> anybody is still interested
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Marc Khouzam
>>> <marc.khouzam@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> > So we all agree that we need two things:
>>> > 1- some type of planning meeting in September
>>> > 2- a face-to-face meeting at some point
>>> >
>>> > Up to now, no one has stepped-up to organize a face-to-face
>>> in September (or
>>> > another time).
>>> > (Doing it at Ericsson was a lot of work for me last year so
>>> I like the
>>> > EclipseCon idea better).
>>> > Unless Chris thinks it can be done at IBM...
>>> >
>>> > So I suggest we try to plan the face-to-face for EclipseCon
>>> or else we might
>>> > not have a face-to-face
>>> > at all.  Note that the OSGi DevCon has been doing the same
>>> for some time.
>>> >
>>> > Last year, the multi-core debug meeting was a big success.
>>> However, having
>>> > only one timeslot
>>> > left me with the feeling of unfinished business.  I think
>>> we should plan for
>>> > two days and have a
>>> > detailed agenda, people can then decide if they want stay
>>> for the full two
>>> > days or not.
>>> >
>>> > Sunday-Monday is the option that allows us to be in the best shape.
>>> > Thursday-Friday avoids having to work on the weekend.
>>> > Sunday-Friday does not overlap with EclipseCon, but will be
>>> exhausting
>>> > We can try to figure out what the community likes best on the wiki.
>>> >
>>> > The nice thing about all this is that it is very low
>>> risk/effort.  It is
>>> > almost a freebie with EclipseCon.
>>> >
>>> > What is somewhat urgent is knowing which days we could get
>>> a big enough room
>>> > at EclipseCon.
>>> > It does not matter which days we prefer if we can't get a
>>> room (and a
>>> > projector) for those days.
>>> >
>>> > Doug, as the puppet master this year :-) can you tell us
>>> which days would be
>>> > best for a room (or two)?
>>> > I can then update the wiki to see what the community
>>> response will be.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks
>>> >
>>> > Marc
>>> >
>>> > ________________________________
>>> > From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>> > Behalf Of Schaefer, Doug
>>> > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 4:46 PM
>>> > To: CDT General developers list.
>>> > Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011
>>> >
>>> > Sure, we can offer up the options.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I plan on being very busy at EclipseCon, though, and will
>>> not attend full
>>> > day sessions for CDT. But you don't need me there for the
>>> whole thing.
>>> > Everything I need to participate in will happen in September.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Doug.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>> > Behalf Of Dominique Toupin
>>> > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 4:32 PM
>>> > To: CDT General developers list.
>>> > Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I agree that we might be tired on Friday, however people
>>> might prefer to do
>>> > that instead of having a second trip.
>>> >
>>> > We can also investigate other options like Sun-Mon (like
>>> the IBM Rational
>>> > conf :-).
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Maybe we can put the different options (Thu-Fri, Sun-Mon,
>>> Sun and Thu) on
>>> > the wiki and see what the developers prefer.
>>> >
>>> > The last summit was 3 days and we had to close the
>>> registration because too
>>> > many people wanted to come, we will have plenty of things
>>> to discuss for at
>>> > least 2 days.
>>> >
>>> > Having just a few hours doesn't seem to be enough.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ________________________________
>>> >
>>> > From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>> > Behalf Of Schaefer, Doug
>>> > Sent: 18-Jul-11 15:56
>>> > To: CDT General developers list.
>>> > Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011
>>> >
>>> > I dunno, I still have the mental scars from our last
>>> attempt at a EcilpseCon
>>> > Friday meeting (way burned out by then).
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > But I will have a pretty big room if tradition holds and
>>> will throw a CDT
>>> > party some time during the week J.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Doug.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>> > Behalf Of Marc Khouzam
>>> > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 3:30 PM
>>> > To: 'CDT General developers list.'
>>> > Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > The idea of an eSummit in September is probably the easiest
>>> way to get the
>>> > plan done for Juno and get things started.
>>> >
>>> > I like that.  But I also agree that the face-to-face part
>>> is very valuable.
>>> > So, the idea of having the same type of
>>> >
>>> > meeting as last year, but co-located with EclipseCon,
>>> sounds great to me.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > From what we saw in previous years, we need enough time to
>>> discuss the many
>>> > different topics, and to allow
>>> >
>>> > people to find their common interests and see how they can
>>> collaborate
>>> > together.  And we also need
>>> >
>>> > time for deep dives such as multi-core, build, codan, etc.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Co-locating a full CDT Summit with EclipseCon
>>> (Thursday/Friday) only extends
>>> > the trip by one day, and we get the full
>>> >
>>> > benefit of a face-face event.  And organization will be
>>> much easier :-)  It
>>> > may also help some people justify going to
>>> >
>>> > EclipseCon as a two-in-one trip.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > So, couldn't we plan a two-day face-to-face CDT Summit on
>>> the Thursday and
>>> > Friday of EclipseCon?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Thanks
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Marc
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ________________________________
>>> >
>>> > From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>> > Behalf Of Schaefer, Doug
>>> > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 2:58 PM
>>> > To: CDT General developers list.
>>> > Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011
>>> >
>>> > Yes, I wasn't talking about replacing the face to face,
>>> just having that
>>> > component at EclipseCon. I tend to meet more new community
>>> members at
>>> > EclipseCon than the CDT Summit anyway.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > We do need to have a plan in place by the end of September
>>> (and the Eclipse
>>> > board would actually prefer we have it earlier, but we get
>>> some leeway
>>> > there), and should have interactive meetings on the issues
>>> we need to
>>> > address and new features that feed into that plan. And it's
>>> pretty much a
>>> > given now that not every committer is able to make a summit
>>> anyway, I think
>>> > an eSummit would fill our needs. And next year, if someone
>>> wants to hold it
>>> > and organize early, we can try again at a full summit.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > :D
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>> > Behalf Of Marc-Andre Laperle
>>> > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 2:45 PM
>>> > To: CDT General developers list.
>>> > Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > March 26-29 is really late in the development cycle. To me,
>>> the summit
>>> > should be about planning Juno, discussing architecture,
>>> potential solutions
>>> > to hard problems we want fixed in Juno.
>>> >
>>> > On 11-07-18 2:22 PM, Dominique Toupin wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Replacing a 3 days face to face summit by an online meeting
>>> will not benefit
>>> > the community, I think its very good if we can keep the
>>> face to face event.
>>> >
>>> > Many people dial-in but they typically work on something
>>> else, we do not
>>> > have the evening/lunch event when people can discuss further, etc.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Looking at other open source projects/foundations they do a lot of
>>> > co-located events (e.g LinuxCon and Tracing Summit), I had
>>> a quick chat with
>>> > Ian from the Eclipse Foundation, he thinks it's a good idea
>>> to co-locate the
>>> > summit with EclipseCon, possibly Thursday/Friday as long as
>>> we plan ahead to
>>> > ensure we have a conf room available at
>>> http://reston.hyatt.com (as program
>>> > chair, I am sure you can make it happen).
>>> >
>>> > Co-locating with EclipseCon has a few benefits:
>>> >
>>> >  - Less travel (EclipseCon + Summit same place/date)
>>> >
>>> >  - No sponsors/funding to find
>>> >
>>> >  - No local logistics (room, special events, lunch, dinner, etc.)
>>> >
>>> >  - more developers are likely to come
>>> >
>>> >  - Reston is 8.5 hours drive from Toronto
>>> >
>>> >  - etc.
>>> >
>>> > The only down side I see is it's not a good timing to plan
>>> for the next
>>> > release so we could do as you suggested i.e. an online
>>> meeting in September
>>> > but hopefully a short one maybe half a day to start and
>>> then we can see if
>>> > we need extra ones for specific topics e.g. multi-core debug.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Co-locating with EclipseCon seems quite future proof to me,
>>> what do you
>>> > think?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ________________________________
>>> >
>>> > From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>> > Behalf Of Schaefer, Doug
>>> > Sent: 18-Jul-11 11:24
>>> > To: CDT General developers list.
>>> > Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011
>>> >
>>> > I agree. The time is pretty short to organize a full blown summit in
>>> > September. But, we still need to have planning meetings to
>>> set the agenda
>>> > for CDT in Juno.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > What I'd like to propose is an eSummit instead using a
>>> conference bridge and
>>> > Webex. I was thinking of a block of four hours running
>>> noon-3 Ottawa time
>>> > (give or take), which allows for evening in Europe and morning in
>>> > California. We could start with two days like that and
>>> expand if needed.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I would then propose that we have a CDT get-together at
>>> EclipseCon next
>>> > March. We had a really nice multi-core meeting last year
>>> and could do that
>>> > for CDT in general. We could do it for a couple of hours
>>> and be separate
>>> > from the BOF which is a more open meeting.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > What do you think?
>>> >
>>> > Doug.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>> > Behalf Of Dominique Toupin
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 9:06 AM
>>> > To: CDT General developers list.
>>> > Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Hi Doug,
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > It's not easy to plan/organize the CDT summit in the middle
>>> of summer for a
>>> > date in Sept/Oct:
>>> >
>>> >  - many people are on vacation, it's hard to get developers
>>> to register;
>>> >
>>> >  - organizing the logistic in the middle of summer was not
>>> easy for us last
>>> > year again because of many people on vacations and it was
>>> hard to get big
>>> > conf room for Sept;
>>> >
>>> >  - in July many people are already booked for business trips in the
>>> > fall e.g. myself, Elena, Marc, etc. if know more in
>>> advanced it will be
>>> > easier to plan around the summit date;
>>> >
>>> >  - fall is a busy time of the year for many people,
>>> May/June is the Eclipse
>>> > release crunch and March is EclipseCon...;
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > To get more developers to join the summit we could either:
>>> >
>>> >  - do the plan/organization after the Eclipse release and
>>> held the summit in
>>> > Dec/Jan
>>> >
>>> >  - do the plan/org in May and held the summit in Sept/Oct
>>> >
>>> >  - looking back at last March EclipseCon we could
>>> investigate if we can do
>>> > it Thursday and Friday
>>> > (http://www.eclipsecon.org/2011/program/?programdate=2011-03-24)
>>> >
>>> >  - we could even investigate if we can do it together with
>>> the GCC summit
>>> > (http://www.gccsummit.org)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Best Regards,
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Dominique
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ________________________________
>>> >
>>> > From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>> > Behalf Of Schaefer, Doug
>>> > Sent: 8-Jul-11 14:20
>>> > To: cdt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>> > Subject: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011
>>> >
>>> > Hey gang,
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Just a reminder to sign up for CDT Summit 2011 at
>>> > http://wiki.eclipse.org/CDT/summitfall2011. Notice a few
>>> signed up already.
>>> > The more that show interest, the more we'll realize we
>>> really need to have
>>> > one again J.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Cheers,
>>> >
>>> > Doug.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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