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Re: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011

Thanks Elena, that would be great. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alena Laskavaia
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 11:26 AM
> To: CDT General developers list.
> Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011
> 
> I will talk to RIM about face-to-face in September (Ottawa), if
> anybody is still interested
> 
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Marc Khouzam 
> <marc.khouzam@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > So we all agree that we need two things:
> > 1- some type of planning meeting in September
> > 2- a face-to-face meeting at some point
> >
> > Up to now, no one has stepped-up to organize a face-to-face 
> in September (or
> > another time).
> > (Doing it at Ericsson was a lot of work for me last year so 
> I like the
> > EclipseCon idea better).
> > Unless Chris thinks it can be done at IBM...
> >
> > So I suggest we try to plan the face-to-face for EclipseCon 
> or else we might
> > not have a face-to-face
> > at all.  Note that the OSGi DevCon has been doing the same 
> for some time.
> >
> > Last year, the multi-core debug meeting was a big success.  
> However, having
> > only one timeslot
> > left me with the feeling of unfinished business.  I think 
> we should plan for
> > two days and have a
> > detailed agenda, people can then decide if they want stay 
> for the full two
> > days or not.
> >
> > Sunday-Monday is the option that allows us to be in the best shape.
> > Thursday-Friday avoids having to work on the weekend.
> > Sunday-Friday does not overlap with EclipseCon, but will be 
> exhausting
> > We can try to figure out what the community likes best on the wiki.
> >
> > The nice thing about all this is that it is very low 
> risk/effort.  It is
> > almost a freebie with EclipseCon.
> >
> > What is somewhat urgent is knowing which days we could get 
> a big enough room
> > at EclipseCon.
> > It does not matter which days we prefer if we can't get a 
> room (and a
> > projector) for those days.
> >
> > Doug, as the puppet master this year :-) can you tell us 
> which days would be
> > best for a room (or two)?
> > I can then update the wiki to see what the community 
> response will be.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Marc
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf Of Schaefer, Doug
> > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 4:46 PM
> > To: CDT General developers list.
> > Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011
> >
> > Sure, we can offer up the options.
> >
> >
> >
> > I plan on being very busy at EclipseCon, though, and will 
> not attend full
> > day sessions for CDT. But you don't need me there for the 
> whole thing.
> > Everything I need to participate in will happen in September.
> >
> >
> >
> > Doug.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf Of Dominique Toupin
> > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 4:32 PM
> > To: CDT General developers list.
> > Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I agree that we might be tired on Friday, however people 
> might prefer to do
> > that instead of having a second trip.
> >
> > We can also investigate other options like Sun-Mon (like 
> the IBM Rational
> > conf :-).
> >
> >
> >
> > Maybe we can put the different options (Thu-Fri, Sun-Mon, 
> Sun and Thu) on
> > the wiki and see what the developers prefer.
> >
> > The last summit was 3 days and we had to close the 
> registration because too
> > many people wanted to come, we will have plenty of things 
> to discuss for at
> > least 2 days.
> >
> > Having just a few hours doesn't seem to be enough.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf Of Schaefer, Doug
> > Sent: 18-Jul-11 15:56
> > To: CDT General developers list.
> > Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011
> >
> > I dunno, I still have the mental scars from our last 
> attempt at a EcilpseCon
> > Friday meeting (way burned out by then).
> >
> >
> >
> > But I will have a pretty big room if tradition holds and 
> will throw a CDT
> > party some time during the week J.
> >
> >
> >
> > Doug.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf Of Marc Khouzam
> > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 3:30 PM
> > To: 'CDT General developers list.'
> > Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011
> >
> >
> >
> > The idea of an eSummit in September is probably the easiest 
> way to get the
> > plan done for Juno and get things started.
> >
> > I like that.  But I also agree that the face-to-face part 
> is very valuable.
> > So, the idea of having the same type of
> >
> > meeting as last year, but co-located with EclipseCon, 
> sounds great to me.
> >
> >
> >
> > From what we saw in previous years, we need enough time to 
> discuss the many
> > different topics, and to allow
> >
> > people to find their common interests and see how they can 
> collaborate
> > together.  And we also need
> >
> > time for deep dives such as multi-core, build, codan, etc.
> >
> >
> >
> > Co-locating a full CDT Summit with EclipseCon 
> (Thursday/Friday) only extends
> > the trip by one day, and we get the full
> >
> > benefit of a face-face event.  And organization will be 
> much easier :-)  It
> > may also help some people justify going to
> >
> > EclipseCon as a two-in-one trip.
> >
> >
> >
> > So, couldn't we plan a two-day face-to-face CDT Summit on 
> the Thursday and
> > Friday of EclipseCon?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> > Marc
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf Of Schaefer, Doug
> > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 2:58 PM
> > To: CDT General developers list.
> > Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011
> >
> > Yes, I wasn't talking about replacing the face to face, 
> just having that
> > component at EclipseCon. I tend to meet more new community 
> members at
> > EclipseCon than the CDT Summit anyway.
> >
> >
> >
> > We do need to have a plan in place by the end of September 
> (and the Eclipse
> > board would actually prefer we have it earlier, but we get 
> some leeway
> > there), and should have interactive meetings on the issues 
> we need to
> > address and new features that feed into that plan. And it's 
> pretty much a
> > given now that not every committer is able to make a summit 
> anyway, I think
> > an eSummit would fill our needs. And next year, if someone 
> wants to hold it
> > and organize early, we can try again at a full summit.
> >
> >
> >
> > :D
> >
> >
> >
> > From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf Of Marc-Andre Laperle
> > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 2:45 PM
> > To: CDT General developers list.
> > Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011
> >
> >
> >
> > March 26-29 is really late in the development cycle. To me, 
> the summit
> > should be about planning Juno, discussing architecture, 
> potential solutions
> > to hard problems we want fixed in Juno.
> >
> > On 11-07-18 2:22 PM, Dominique Toupin wrote:
> >
> > Replacing a 3 days face to face summit by an online meeting 
> will not benefit
> > the community, I think its very good if we can keep the 
> face to face event.
> >
> > Many people dial-in but they typically work on something 
> else, we do not
> > have the evening/lunch event when people can discuss further, etc.
> >
> >
> >
> > Looking at other open source projects/foundations they do a lot of
> > co-located events (e.g LinuxCon and Tracing Summit), I had 
> a quick chat with
> > Ian from the Eclipse Foundation, he thinks it's a good idea 
> to co-locate the
> > summit with EclipseCon, possibly Thursday/Friday as long as 
> we plan ahead to
> > ensure we have a conf room available at 
> http://reston.hyatt.com (as program
> > chair, I am sure you can make it happen).
> >
> > Co-locating with EclipseCon has a few benefits:
> >
> >  - Less travel (EclipseCon + Summit same place/date)
> >
> >  - No sponsors/funding to find
> >
> >  - No local logistics (room, special events, lunch, dinner, etc.)
> >
> >  - more developers are likely to come
> >
> >  - Reston is 8.5 hours drive from Toronto
> >
> >  - etc.
> >
> > The only down side I see is it's not a good timing to plan 
> for the next
> > release so we could do as you suggested i.e. an online 
> meeting in September
> > but hopefully a short one maybe half a day to start and 
> then we can see if
> > we need extra ones for specific topics e.g. multi-core debug.
> >
> >
> >
> > Co-locating with EclipseCon seems quite future proof to me, 
> what do you
> > think?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf Of Schaefer, Doug
> > Sent: 18-Jul-11 11:24
> > To: CDT General developers list.
> > Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011
> >
> > I agree. The time is pretty short to organize a full blown summit in
> > September. But, we still need to have planning meetings to 
> set the agenda
> > for CDT in Juno.
> >
> >
> >
> > What I'd like to propose is an eSummit instead using a 
> conference bridge and
> > Webex. I was thinking of a block of four hours running 
> noon-3 Ottawa time
> > (give or take), which allows for evening in Europe and morning in
> > California. We could start with two days like that and 
> expand if needed.
> >
> >
> >
> > I would then propose that we have a CDT get-together at 
> EclipseCon next
> > March. We had a really nice multi-core meeting last year 
> and could do that
> > for CDT in general. We could do it for a couple of hours 
> and be separate
> > from the BOF which is a more open meeting.
> >
> >
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > Doug.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf Of Dominique Toupin
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 9:06 AM
> > To: CDT General developers list.
> > Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Doug,
> >
> >
> >
> > It's not easy to plan/organize the CDT summit in the middle 
> of summer for a
> > date in Sept/Oct:
> >
> >  - many people are on vacation, it's hard to get developers 
> to register;
> >
> >  - organizing the logistic in the middle of summer was not 
> easy for us last
> > year again because of many people on vacations and it was 
> hard to get big
> > conf room for Sept;
> >
> >  - in July many people are already booked for business trips in the
> > fall e.g. myself, Elena, Marc, etc. if know more in 
> advanced it will be
> > easier to plan around the summit date;
> >
> >  - fall is a busy time of the year for many people, 
> May/June is the Eclipse
> > release crunch and March is EclipseCon...;
> >
> >
> >
> > To get more developers to join the summit we could either:
> >
> >  - do the plan/organization after the Eclipse release and 
> held the summit in
> > Dec/Jan
> >
> >  - do the plan/org in May and held the summit in Sept/Oct
> >
> >  - looking back at last March EclipseCon we could 
> investigate if we can do
> > it Thursday and Friday
> > (http://www.eclipsecon.org/2011/program/?programdate=2011-03-24)
> >
> >  - we could even investigate if we can do it together with 
> the GCC summit
> > (http://www.gccsummit.org)
> >
> >
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > Dominique
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:cdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf Of Schaefer, Doug
> > Sent: 8-Jul-11 14:20
> > To: cdt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [cdt-dev] Summit 2011
> >
> > Hey gang,
> >
> >
> >
> > Just a reminder to sign up for CDT Summit 2011 at
> > http://wiki.eclipse.org/CDT/summitfall2011. Notice a few 
> signed up already.
> > The more that show interest, the more we'll realize we 
> really need to have
> > one again J.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Doug.
> >
> >
> >
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