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RE: [cross-project-issues-dev] Europa Fall Maintenance still in progress? 
Mylyn has tested and the new EPP packages are working as expected.

Once I have written up a FAQ entry I'll send another message about the warnings in the Error Log.

Mik

> -----Original Message-----
> From: cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cross-
> project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Markus Knauer
> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 7:25 AM
> To: Cross project issues
> Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Europa Fall Maintenance still
> in progress?
> 
> Updated EPP packages are available:
> 
>   http://www.eclipse.org/epp/download.php
> 
> They are based on:
> 
> # Eclipse Platform 3.3.1.1: R-3.3.1-200709211145
> # Europa Update Site: 2007-10-02
> 
> Please note that they are still not available from all mirrors.
> 
> These are the packages I want to release if I don't get a veto in the
> next 24
> hours.
> 
> Markus
> 
> 
> On Monday 29 October 2007 05:57, Mik Kersten wrote:
> > Thanks Markus.  Please post when the updated EPP packages are
> available.
> >
> > Details: we still hope that the Mylyn features don't need to be
> changed,
> > but we need to test the updated packaging once they are available.
> The
> > issue here is that with the JEE packaging, for some
> workspace/machine/vm
> > configurations Mylyn will occasionally dump warnings to the Error Log
> on
> > startup if none of its UI gets loaded.  We have had numerous reports
> of
> > this with the JEE packagning but still don't have any indication of
> any bad
> > behavior that would result.  However, as of the Europa Fall Update
> there
> > has been considerable confusion with users associating the PermGen
> problem
> > with the Mylyn warnings and we have seen many logs with both entries
> side
> > by side, so want to do more thorough testing with the new packagings.
> >
> > Mik
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cross-
> > > project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Markus Knauer
> > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 5:05 AM
> > > To: Cross project issues
> > > Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Europa Fall Maintenance
> still
> > > in progress?
> > >
> > > EPP: Packages based on Platform 3.3.1.1 and the (old!) Europa
> Update
> > > Site are
> > > already on my local hard disk and I will upload them today to the
> EPP
> > > download page. Then we can decide until Monday, if we push them to
> the
> > > main
> > > Eclipse download page, or not.
> > >
> > > AFAIK, there was no clear decision on how to proceed with the
> Europa
> > > Update
> > > Site. In my opinion, these two (Europa Update Site and EPP
> packages)
> > > should
> > > contain the same content, which means I am updating the packages if
> and
> > > only
> > > if the Europa Update Site will be updated to a Europa
> > > Fall-Maintenance-Maintenance version. We all should keep in mind,
> that
> > > the
> > > fixes in the Eclipse Platform addressed real show-stoppers, release
> > > critical
> > > bugs, and the decision for this bug-fix release was done by the
> PMC.
> > >
> > > First of all, we must decide if we change the complete Europa
> Update
> > > Site
> > > content or not, then we can think about a possible schedule for new
> EPP
> > > packages.
> > >
> > > At the end of this email I would like to draw your attention to an
> > > interesting
> > > debate in the EPP newsgroup about our policies:
> > >
> http://dev.eclipse.org/newslists/news.eclipse.technology.packaging/msg0
> > > 0100.html
> > > It would be very nice to get more feedback from the community in
> this
> > > important discussion.
> > >
> > > Markus
> > >
> > > On Friday 26 October 2007 22:21, Mik Kersten wrote:
> > > > Is there any a schedule for the EPP bundling yet?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Platform has updated 3.3.1.1.  Mylyn is in the process of
> evaluating
> > > > whether the 3.3.1.1 fix addresses some problems that were
> attributed
> > >
> > > to
> > >
> > > > Mylyn.  We have a bug where Mylyn warnings are dumped to the
> Error
> > >
> > > Log, and
> > >
> > > > within a couple of hours will figure out whether we want to push
> that
> > >
> > > fix
> > >
> > > > into the upcoming EPP update (e.g. bug 188524
> > > > <https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=188524> ).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mik
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: eclipse.org-planning-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:eclipse.org-planning-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf
> > >
> > > Of Mik
> > >
> > > > Kersten
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 11:30 AM
> > > > To: 'eclipse.org-planning-council'
> > > > Subject: RE: [eclipse.org-planning-council] Europa Fall
> Maintenance
> > >
> > > still
> > >
> > > > in progress?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mylyn is not currently planning on updating our Europa Fall
> Update
> > > > features. However, just in case it would be good to know what the
> > >
> > > 3.3.1.1
> > >
> > > > release and EPP bundling schedule is, e.g. by adding a line to:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >   http://wiki.eclipse.org/Europa#Coordinated_Maintenance
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mik
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: eclipse.org-planning-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:eclipse.org-planning-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf
> > >
> > > Of
> > >
> > > > Oberhuber, Martin
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 10:11 AM
> > > > To: eclipse.org-planning-council
> > > > Subject: RE: [eclipse.org-planning-council] Europa Fall
> Maintenance
> > >
> > > still
> > >
> > > > in progress?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hmm....
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > thanks for the explanation, Bjorn.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Wouldn't it be a good idea to decide about at least potentially
> > >
> > > promoting
> > >
> > > > or not BEFORE we all silently update our features?
> > > >
> > > > Because if we decide in the end to not promote anything in the
> end,
> > >
> > > quite
> > >
> > > > some work will have been in vain...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I, personally, think it's a good idea to re-spin at least
> together
> > >
> > > with the
> > >
> > > > Platform's re-spin such that we have
> > > >
> > > > a full-blown New Europa Fall Maintenance in the end.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm also OK with re-spinning Maintenance more often, even though
> this
> > >
> > > makes
> > >
> > > > the build non-reproducable
> > > >
> > > > (what would "the maintenance release" then be after all... bug
> > >
> > > reports and
> > >
> > > > the like would need to include
> > > >
> > > > a date at which the build was taken).
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > --
> > > > Martin Oberhuber
> > > > Wind River Systems, Inc.
> > > > Target Management Project Lead, DSDP PMC Member
> > > > http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >   _____
> > > >
> > > > From: eclipse.org-planning-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:eclipse.org-planning-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf
> > >
> > > Of
> > >
> > > > Bjorn Freeman-Benson
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 6:54 PM
> > > > To: eclipse.org-planning-council
> > > > Subject: Re: [eclipse.org-planning-council] Europa Fall
> Maintenance
> > >
> > > still
> > >
> > > > in progress?
> > > >
> > > > I guess I should add: this is the same that we did at the
> beginning
> > >
> > > of
> > >
> > > > July: the mechanism to re-spin the build was used, but in the end
> we
> > > > decided not to promote it to the download site. We may choose to
> do
> > >
> > > the
> > >
> > > > same, or not, this time.
> > > >
> > > > Oberhuber, Martin wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > there have been discussions about re-spinning
> > > > Europa Fall Maintenance -- potentially with
> > > > the Re-spin of Eclipse 3.3.1.1 that's ongoing.
> > > >
> > > > I wanted to also be on the train, and updated
> > > > the features-dsdp-tm.xml with some patches
> > > > we've made in the meantime.
> > > >
> > > > When I synchronized, I noticed that 10 other
> > > > projects also seem to have updated their features.
> > > >
> > > > Do we have some silent agreement that Europa
> > > > Maintenance is being re-spun periodically? Or
> > > > is this a one-time special case?
> > > > I'm OK with either, I was just surprised since
> > > > we had that discussion beginning of July, and
> > > > decided at that time to not do it...
> > > >
> > > > What does the Community think? Or did I miss
> > > > any decision that's been made?
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > --
> > > > Martin Oberhuber
> > > > Wind River Systems, Inc.
> > > > Target Management Project Lead, DSDP PMC Member
> > > > http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm
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> council
> > >
> > > --
> > > Markus Knauer
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