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[cross-project-issues-dev] Europa Fall Maintenance Maintenance 
Hi Denis,

with the availability of the Eclipse Platform 3.3.1.1, it's time to update the 
EPP packages with the new content. 

Could you please update the links on the main eclipse.org download page with 
the URLs to the new packages as they can be found on the EPP download page 
http://www.eclipse.org/epp/download.php? Thanks!


@ALL: How do we proceed with the Europa Update Site content? From my point of 
view there is too much confusion, no clear decision, no schedule, and no 
green build at all. And what's even more important: No one seems to care 
about it. I don't want to ask for another 'process', but maybe there is 
already one. 


Markus



On Tuesday 30 October 2007 20:30, Mik Kersten wrote:
> Mylyn has tested and the new EPP packages are working as expected.
>
> Once I have written up a FAQ entry I'll send another message about the
> warnings in the Error Log.
>
> Mik
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cross-
> > project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Markus Knauer
> > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 7:25 AM
> > To: Cross project issues
> > Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Europa Fall Maintenance still
> > in progress?
> >
> > Updated EPP packages are available:
> >
> >   http://www.eclipse.org/epp/download.php
> >
> > They are based on:
> >
> > # Eclipse Platform 3.3.1.1: R-3.3.1-200709211145
> > # Europa Update Site: 2007-10-02
> >
> > Please note that they are still not available from all mirrors.
> >
> > These are the packages I want to release if I don't get a veto in the
> > next 24
> > hours.
> >
> > Markus
> >
> > On Monday 29 October 2007 05:57, Mik Kersten wrote:
> > > Thanks Markus.  Please post when the updated EPP packages are
> >
> > available.
> >
> > > Details: we still hope that the Mylyn features don't need to be
> >
> > changed,
> >
> > > but we need to test the updated packaging once they are available.
> >
> > The
> >
> > > issue here is that with the JEE packaging, for some
> >
> > workspace/machine/vm
> >
> > > configurations Mylyn will occasionally dump warnings to the Error Log
> >
> > on
> >
> > > startup if none of its UI gets loaded.  We have had numerous reports
> >
> > of
> >
> > > this with the JEE packagning but still don't have any indication of
> >
> > any bad
> >
> > > behavior that would result.  However, as of the Europa Fall Update
> >
> > there
> >
> > > has been considerable confusion with users associating the PermGen
> >
> > problem
> >
> > > with the Mylyn warnings and we have seen many logs with both entries
> >
> > side
> >
> > > by side, so want to do more thorough testing with the new packagings.
> > >
> > > Mik
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cross-
> > > > project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Markus Knauer
> > > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 5:05 AM
> > > > To: Cross project issues
> > > > Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Europa Fall Maintenance
> >
> > still
> >
> > > > in progress?
> > > >
> > > > EPP: Packages based on Platform 3.3.1.1 and the (old!) Europa
> >
> > Update
> >
> > > > Site are
> > > > already on my local hard disk and I will upload them today to the
> >
> > EPP
> >
> > > > download page. Then we can decide until Monday, if we push them to
> >
> > the
> >
> > > > main
> > > > Eclipse download page, or not.
> > > >
> > > > AFAIK, there was no clear decision on how to proceed with the
> >
> > Europa
> >
> > > > Update
> > > > Site. In my opinion, these two (Europa Update Site and EPP
> >
> > packages)
> >
> > > > should
> > > > contain the same content, which means I am updating the packages if
> >
> > and
> >
> > > > only
> > > > if the Europa Update Site will be updated to a Europa
> > > > Fall-Maintenance-Maintenance version. We all should keep in mind,
> >
> > that
> >
> > > > the
> > > > fixes in the Eclipse Platform addressed real show-stoppers, release
> > > > critical
> > > > bugs, and the decision for this bug-fix release was done by the
> >
> > PMC.
> >
> > > > First of all, we must decide if we change the complete Europa
> >
> > Update
> >
> > > > Site
> > > > content or not, then we can think about a possible schedule for new
> >
> > EPP
> >
> > > > packages.
> > > >
> > > > At the end of this email I would like to draw your attention to an
> > > > interesting
> > > > debate in the EPP newsgroup about our policies:
> >
> > http://dev.eclipse.org/newslists/news.eclipse.technology.packaging/msg0
> >
> > > > 0100.html
> > > > It would be very nice to get more feedback from the community in
> >
> > this
> >
> > > > important discussion.
> > > >
> > > > Markus
> > > >
> > > > On Friday 26 October 2007 22:21, Mik Kersten wrote:
> > > > > Is there any a schedule for the EPP bundling yet?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Platform has updated 3.3.1.1.  Mylyn is in the process of
> >
> > evaluating
> >
> > > > > whether the 3.3.1.1 fix addresses some problems that were
> >
> > attributed
> >
> > > > to
> > > >
> > > > > Mylyn.  We have a bug where Mylyn warnings are dumped to the
> >
> > Error
> >
> > > > Log, and
> > > >
> > > > > within a couple of hours will figure out whether we want to push
> >
> > that
> >
> > > > fix
> > > >
> > > > > into the upcoming EPP update (e.g. bug 188524
> > > > > <https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=188524> ).
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Mik
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From: eclipse.org-planning-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > [mailto:eclipse.org-planning-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
> >
> > Behalf
> >
> > > > Of Mik
> > > >
> > > > > Kersten
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 11:30 AM
> > > > > To: 'eclipse.org-planning-council'
> > > > > Subject: RE: [eclipse.org-planning-council] Europa Fall
> >
> > Maintenance
> >
> > > > still
> > > >
> > > > > in progress?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Mylyn is not currently planning on updating our Europa Fall
> >
> > Update
> >
> > > > > features. However, just in case it would be good to know what the
> > > >
> > > > 3.3.1.1
> > > >
> > > > > release and EPP bundling schedule is, e.g. by adding a line to:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >   http://wiki.eclipse.org/Europa#Coordinated_Maintenance
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Mik
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From: eclipse.org-planning-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > [mailto:eclipse.org-planning-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
> >
> > Behalf
> >
> > > > Of
> > > >
> > > > > Oberhuber, Martin
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 10:11 AM
> > > > > To: eclipse.org-planning-council
> > > > > Subject: RE: [eclipse.org-planning-council] Europa Fall
> >
> > Maintenance
> >
> > > > still
> > > >
> > > > > in progress?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hmm....
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > thanks for the explanation, Bjorn.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Wouldn't it be a good idea to decide about at least potentially
> > > >
> > > > promoting
> > > >
> > > > > or not BEFORE we all silently update our features?
> > > > >
> > > > > Because if we decide in the end to not promote anything in the
> >
> > end,
> >
> > > > quite
> > > >
> > > > > some work will have been in vain...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I, personally, think it's a good idea to re-spin at least
> >
> > together
> >
> > > > with the
> > > >
> > > > > Platform's re-spin such that we have
> > > > >
> > > > > a full-blown New Europa Fall Maintenance in the end.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm also OK with re-spinning Maintenance more often, even though
> >
> > this
> >
> > > > makes
> > > >
> > > > > the build non-reproducable
> > > > >
> > > > > (what would "the maintenance release" then be after all... bug
> > > >
> > > > reports and
> > > >
> > > > > the like would need to include
> > > > >
> > > > > a date at which the build was taken).
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > --
> > > > > Martin Oberhuber
> > > > > Wind River Systems, Inc.
> > > > > Target Management Project Lead, DSDP PMC Member
> > > > > http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >   _____
> > > > >
> > > > > From: eclipse.org-planning-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > [mailto:eclipse.org-planning-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
> >
> > Behalf
> >
> > > > Of
> > > >
> > > > > Bjorn Freeman-Benson
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 6:54 PM
> > > > > To: eclipse.org-planning-council
> > > > > Subject: Re: [eclipse.org-planning-council] Europa Fall
> >
> > Maintenance
> >
> > > > still
> > > >
> > > > > in progress?
> > > > >
> > > > > I guess I should add: this is the same that we did at the
> >
> > beginning
> >
> > > > of
> > > >
> > > > > July: the mechanism to re-spin the build was used, but in the end
> >
> > we
> >
> > > > > decided not to promote it to the download site. We may choose to
> >
> > do
> >
> > > > the
> > > >
> > > > > same, or not, this time.
> > > > >
> > > > > Oberhuber, Martin wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > there have been discussions about re-spinning
> > > > > Europa Fall Maintenance -- potentially with
> > > > > the Re-spin of Eclipse 3.3.1.1 that's ongoing.
> > > > >
> > > > > I wanted to also be on the train, and updated
> > > > > the features-dsdp-tm.xml with some patches
> > > > > we've made in the meantime.
> > > > >
> > > > > When I synchronized, I noticed that 10 other
> > > > > projects also seem to have updated their features.
> > > > >
> > > > > Do we have some silent agreement that Europa
> > > > > Maintenance is being re-spun periodically? Or
> > > > > is this a one-time special case?
> > > > > I'm OK with either, I was just surprised since
> > > > > we had that discussion beginning of July, and
> > > > > decided at that time to not do it...
> > > > >
> > > > > What does the Community think? Or did I miss
> > > > > any decision that's been made?
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > --
> > > > > Martin Oberhuber
> > > > > Wind River Systems, Inc.
> > > > > Target Management Project Lead, DSDP PMC Member
> > > > > http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm
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> >
> > council
> >
> > > > --
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