| Re: [wtp-releng] CBI build planning meeting |
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On 01/08/2014 03:43 PM, Denis Roy
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As a casual observer from the outside, your message seems to make some unfair assumptions about the project's operation. I may, however, be misinterpreting; but here is how I see it.I wrote this message because I didn't feel welcome to join this meeting despite my current involvement in WTP CBI build, and it appeared that making any piece of effort to have me attending wasn't on the scope. Those minutes are not Releng/CBI minutes. They are the general WTP minutes, which are not the one I'm interested in. I made a quick search before sending this mail, and could not find some minutes related to WTP Releng/PMC meetings. Maybe I missed them (my bad) or maybe there has simply been no such meeting so far, which is fine. Anyway, this note was just to make sure that since I'm interested in this meeting and can't attend, I'll find answers in the minutes.Although I don't think it's a big deal if I miss this specific meeting, I believe it would make sense for the future to plan it in an open manner via a doodle or something to be more welcoming to new contributors which are not working in US.The team has been holding meetings for years. Why must you assume that the time chosen wasn't conducted in an open manner? Where were you back in 2005? :-) Using this mailing list to determine the time is as open as it can get. If the only persons to voice an opinion at the time were in North America, it's a perfectly valid time.I don't think we have to care much about what was happening 8 years ago. The technology, community, ecosystem... changes and stuff needs to be adapted. To request a new time be chosen is entirely valid. However, there is not a single time slot that will accommodate everyone around the globe.I'm aware of that ;) But the current contributors as we can find on the wtp-releng archives for the last 2 monthes are from US and Europe. 11:00am Eastern time is good for east-code North America, fine for most of Europe, but a bit early for Western North America and much too late for most of Asia.11am Eastern in 9pm in Europe. 9pm is not considered as "fine" for most of Europe. So it would be nice to move it to 9am Eastern (or earlier) so it would be possible for people in Europe to attend. It appears you are preaching to the choir, and while everyone appreciates potential contributors, I think contributors should be expected to do some minimal research to be accepted on a team. I don't think you have done that, yet instead invested time to author a post that seems to point the finger and utter "you should"s to a project that, IMO, is doing everything right.I also believe WTP is doing things right and seems to be an healthy project from a technical and community POV, I just don't understand what makes the difference between a contributor and a "team member", and what are the necessary things to be considered as worth thinking about moving a meeting. In general, I believe the concept of "team" for an OSS project is an anti-pattern. I apologize if I've misunderstood your post.No need to apologize, you understood it perfectly ;) |