| Re: [ui-best-practices-working-group] Prefer proper horizontal ellipsis (U+2026) over three dots in "Menu Item..."? |
I think the argument against using ellipsis was that some languages does not support this concept. I don’t buy that. Especially because Eclipse is shipped in English (per default). We use that symbol in Norwegian too btw. I also think it should be pretty straightforward to convert this character to any other language specific symbol (or three dots) once Babel supports reading Unicode-files. It probably does already. I find it hard to believe that any modern operating system today does not have default fonts that has a basic set of Unicode characters, including ellipsis. I remember struggling with this on Windows, but that must have been almost 15 years ago. However, if any of this text is logged to files which are read on a system which does not support Unicode, it will be an issue. But how often does this happen? Best regards, Torkild > 2. feb. 2018 kl. 17:22 skrev Mickael Istria <mistria@xxxxxxxxxx>: > > I have to say that if Babel as troubles translating (or actually not translating) the ellipsis, it's more a bug to fix in Babel than a reason to block the discussion so that it's IMO a point we can ignore. > > On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 3:17 PM, Daniel Megert <daniel_megert@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > It looks different than the usual three dots (smaller), i.e. Eclipse labels would look different than the labels on the OS and other applications. > > It's not really consistent across applications, some do use ellipsis chars, some others use 3 dots. > But that said, there is a unanimous recommendation by OS providers: > Gnome recommends using ellipses https://developer.gnome.org/hig/stable/writing-style.html.en and all Mozilla software seem to use them in menus; Apple recommends ellipses https://developer.apple.com/macos/human-interface-guidelines/menus/menu-anatomy/#menu-item-titles in seems to use it in all its software, and while I didn't find something explicit about menus ellipses for Windows, this documentation for buttons also suggests using the ellipses character instead of 3 dots: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/bb226792(v=vs.85).aspx > > So some applications do it wrong, and it would make Eclipse IDE be different from them, sure. But Eclipse IDE should follow guidelines instead of taking applications doing it wrong as examples. > > -2 from me. I will bring this up in the Eclipse top-level project PMC call next week to get a final decision on this for the Platform. > > Thanks. Don't forget to include the link above in the discussion with the PMC ;) > _______________________________________________ > ui-best-practices-working-group mailing list > ui-best-practices-working-group@xxxxxxxxxxx > To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit > https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/ui-best-practices-working-group
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