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Re: [technology-pmc] Vote for Committer status for Jonah Graham was started by Erwin De Ley
June 10, 2016 3:02 PM

Is there project lead training or education materials?

I read some wiki articles, attended committer bootcamp at ECNA14, messed up my first committer nomination, and now email you guys, my mentor or Wayne if I have questions.

So that's a smart way of saying we probably need to be talking about a lack of training as the root cause.


+1.
All this talk of automation and reports, etc on the committer nomination form are fine, but I'm convinced the root is, as Jay says, lack of communication, or at least not following through on it. It still seems we have a major gap in new project on-boarding.
When a mentor is assigned to a new project, educating the new lead(s) about this (and other things) should be a priority. And it needs to be more than just "here's some wiki pages, go read." It needs to be a conversation.
Maybe mentors need a checklist of important items that new project leads are expected to *demonstrate* understanding of (guided by the mentors).
Again, I've not been through the process so I don't have experience from which to draw ideas. I just feel strongly that something more needs to be done, because whatever we have now doesn't work well in enough cases.


Eric
June 10, 2016 1:48 PM
That bug, and the ones that it links to, are good but I think we also need to address a more fundamental root cause. It should not surprise a project lead that he needs to provide evidence of merit; it should be part of what he is educated about in the process of becoming a committer and project lead.
I'll be honest: it absolutely shocks me that we have people in the position of project leadership who do not fundamentally understand this. *That* is what I consider more important than making the system prompt and/or enforce; if we solve the root problem, those other things are just convenient reminders.

Like many problems in software development, it seems like it's really a communication problem.

Eric

June 10, 2016 1:26 PM

Guys,

I think this is the bug:

https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=460734

Jay

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June 10, 2016 12:50 PM

Guys,

I totally agree. Unfortunately Erwin didn't reach out to the other committers before nominating Jonah, so I didn't get to tell him about the meritocratic requirement. This wouldn't be a problem if it was on the form, I think.

Jay

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June 10, 2016 10:35 AM
Totally agree.

I need to check, but I recall filing an issue awhile ago about having the committer nomination form require listing issues and git commits as contributions (as part of the nomination process). Seems like a very small change to make.




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