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Re: [rt-pmc] co-lead position rt-pmc

+1 ?!

Regards,
Glyn

On 21 Nov 2012, at 17:15, Wayne Beaton wrote:

The first step is a PMC vote. I suppose that we could imply that from this email chain, but some +1s would make it easier.

Wayne

On 11/21/2012 11:21 AM, Mike Milinkovich wrote:

Believe it or not, PMC leaders are ratified by the Board. Wayne can help.

 

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Ok, ok. I accept Christian's nomination. I guess someone knows what process is now required. Tom?

 

Regards,
Glyn

 

On 21 Nov 2012, at 16:15, Jesse McConnell wrote:



well, since we have no current direction or defined future for RT that
should be pretty easy :)

hopefully that issue will be put to bed once and for all at the
eclipse con panel!

jesse

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On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:10 AM, Glyn Normington
<gnormington@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Isn't it also part of the co-lead job to stand up at EclipseCon and attempt

to answer horrendous questions about the current directions and future of

RT? I guess I can say "I have no idea" as well as the next person, but I'd

rather not volunteer for that in the first place.

 

But, seriously, if all that is required is to stand in for Tom when he can't

make RT PMC calls and continue to make not completely incoherent noises

about release trains etc., then I could be persuaded. (The beer has nothing

to do with my position, although I'm not saying no to that.)

 

Regards,

Glyn

 

On 21 Nov 2012, at 14:54, Campo, Christian wrote:

 

I think Glyn is already a very active person in rt-pmc. He initiated and

contributes to many of the current topics. Glyn is in most telcos. It would

only be a very small step for him to be co-lead. Maybe a little more than

just getting access to the moderator code of the telcos but not much more.

:-) Ok and then if Tom is not in the telco you have to do the minutes.

(happened to me ONCE in over a year)

 

Making you, Glyn co-lead is in my view more an acknowledgement of the work

you are already doing. I know you take these kind of committments very

seriously but this not a committment until the end of time. Having two

people leading a group has the advantage that "life" continues even if only

one lead is present in a call or in a meeting.

 

And I can buy you a beer on ECE2013 if that makes a difference :-)

 

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----

Von: rt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rt-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] Im

Auftrag von Jesse McConnell

Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. November 2012 13:26

An: Runtime Project PMC mailing list

Betreff: Re: [rt-pmc] co-lead position rt-pmc

 

I agree Glyn would be excellent

 

I know he has just turned down the nomination however I would also +1 him

and perhaps you (Christian) can detail out more of the role of what co-lead

does such that we could lull him into the role.

 

cheers,

jesse

 

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On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 6:17 AM, Glyn Normington <gnormington@xxxxxxxxxx>

wrote:

 

Hi Christian

 
 

I think one of your strengths in being a co-lead is that you do

 

understand the IDE side of things as well as being deeply involved in

 

RT. You also know Riena, which probably puts you in a minority in the

 

RT PMC! However, I know what it feels like when the topics constantly

 

under discussion are not personally very relevant, so I understand you

wanting to stand down.

 
 

I'm pleased that some people, including yourself, think I would make a

 

good co-lead. I admit to being interested in the current topics of

 

discussion from a Virgo perspective. However, that doesn't mean I

 

therefore have sufficient time to take on a co-lead role. I'm spread

 

pretty thin at the moment trying to keep Gemini Blueprint going and

 

working the rest of the time on Virgo, so I'm afraid I'll need to

 

pass. I will however provide all the back-up I can to Tom, especially

 

on the current topics. I just don't have the time to gen up on the

 

various RT projects in order to take on tasks like speaking

 

authoritatively on behalf of Eclipse RT at conferences. Maybe we all feel

that way?

 
 

Regards,

 

Glyn

 
 

On 21 Nov 2012, at 08:27, Campo, Christian wrote:

 
 
 

Hi,

 
 

I have been think about this for a while. The rt-pmc members voted for

 

me as a co-lead for the RT-PMC last year. I really appreciated the

 

trust that you guys put in me.

 
 

However I currently have the feeling that a lot of rt-pmc topics sort

 

of pass by me. There are pain points for RT projects like Maven,

 

Release Train or LTS that I currently dont feel so much myself. I feel

 

that am unable to be a lot of help and I am proposing that someone

 

other who is more affected and concerned about the current pain points takes

over from here.

 

I think Tom is doing a wonderful job leading us but I feel very unable

 

and unefficient in backing him up. So that makes me think that someone

 

like Glyn would serve us much better as co-lead (if he likes to do

 

that)

 
 

Pain Points that I have are more along the lines of how can we move

 

Riena to e4. We just finished that and Riena will rejoin the Kepler

 

composite repo for M4.

 
 

Its not that I am pulling back ressources from Eclipse at all. I still

 

like to be in the rt-pmc and I am also program chair for ECE 2013

 

which will be again a lot of work.

 
 

My observation is just that I am currently not a good co-lead for the

 

rt-pmc.

 
 

Who likes to do it instead ?

 
 

Christian Campo

 
 

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