Re: [platform-ui-dev] M2 is next week and some experiences with Android

["Eric Moffatt" <emoffatt@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Lars, if these preferences aren't on by default perhaps they should be. For me anything that's not too expensive in time / resources and can be done accurately should be done (including auto-save). This is another case where having the features on by default would have meant that Sergey wouldn't even have asked the question...;-).

Onwards,
Eric

Lars Vogel ---09/10/2015 04:00:16 PM---If platform would have auto-save that also would solve it. https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cg

From: Lars Vogel <lars.vogel@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Eclipse Platform UI component developers list." <platform-ui-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: E4 Project developer mailing list <e4-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 09/10/2015 04:00 PM
Subject: Re: [platform-ui-dev] M2 is next week and some experiences with Android Studio
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If platform would have auto-save that also would solve it.
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=34076

On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 9:56 PM, Doug Schaefer <dschaefer@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> Right, I was just supporting Sergey¹s idea of having it do it
> automatically like at or around reconcile time. Sergey will you open a JDT
> bug for this? Thanks!
>
> Doug.
>
> On 2015-09-10, 3:43 PM, "platform-ui-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of
> Lars Vogel" <platform-ui-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of
> lars.vogel@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>>Yes it is part of JDT and it is already implemented. I guess that is
>>the reason why I did not bring it up. ;-)
>>
>>As a quick reminder, here is what I wrote:
>>
>>> What is really cool in Android Studio is its ability to increase
>>> the editor font size easily, its full screen mode and its auto-save
>>> feature. We already have bugs for these features targeted for 4.6
>>> and
>>> I'm looking forward to offer the nice features of AS without the
>>> very annoying bugs of it.
>>
>>On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 9:35 PM, Doug Schaefer <dschaefer@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> Yes, I use it all the time. But is that a JDT feature?
>>>
>>> On 2015-09-10, 3:33 PM, "platform-ui-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx on behalf
>>>of
>>> Lars Vogel" <platform-ui-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of
>>> lars.vogel@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Doug, we have "Organize Imports at Save" which does this is there is
>>>>no ambiguity. See
>>>>http://www.vogella.com/tutorials/Eclipse/article.html#tips_autoformatimp
>>>>or
>>>>t
>>>>
>>>>On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 9:30 PM, Doug Schaefer <dschaefer@xxxxxxx>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>> I imagine most Eclipse users are already used to C-Shift-O when they
>>>>>want to
>>>>> clear up the red lines. But yes, it would be nice if this was
>>>>>automatic
>>>>>so
>>>>> the red lines never appear. But that would be more a JDT feature than
>>>>>a
>>>>> platform UI one, no?
>>>>>
>>>>> Doug.
>>>>>
>>>>> From: <platform-ui-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of Sergey
>>>>>Prigogin
>>>>> <eclipse.sprigogin@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Reply-To: "Eclipse Platform UI component developers list."
>>>>> <platform-ui-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Date: Thursday, September 10, 2015 at 3:24 PM
>>>>> To: "Eclipse Platform UI component developers list."
>>>>> <platform-ui-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Cc: E4 Project developer mailing list <e4-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [platform-ui-dev] M2 is next week and some experiences
>>>>>with
>>>>> Android Studio
>>>>>
>>>>> Doesn't IJ autosave happen on lost focus rather than on timer?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 11:13 AM, Lars Vogel <lars.vogel@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Sergey for the clarification. I think that is our "Auto insert
>>>>>> at Save" feature. IntelliJ has automatic saving so if we would also
>>>>>> have auto-save, we would also have auto imports.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards, Lars
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Sergey Prigogin
>>>>>> <eclipse.sprigogin@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>> > I don't remember details since it's been a while since I used AS,
>>>>>>but I
>>>>>> > got
>>>>>> > an impression that an import statement was inserted automatically
>>>>>>with a
>>>>>> > tiny delay after creation on an unresolved type reference without
>>>>>>user
>>>>>> > having to invoke a quick fix or save the file.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > -sergey
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Lars Vogel
>>>>>><lars.vogel@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Hi Sergey,
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> what is "automatic import statement insertion". Can you give an
>>>>>> >> example?
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> I assume that is something different than our save action which
>>>>>>can
>>>>>> >> organize imports at save?
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Best regards, Lars
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 7:55 PM, Sergey Prigogin
>>>>>> >> <eclipse.sprigogin@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>> >> > One AS feature that I find particularly attractive is the
>>>>>>automatic
>>>>>> >> > import
>>>>>> >> > statement insertion when there is no ambiguity.
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > -sergey
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Lars Vogel
>>>>>><lars.vogel@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> Dear friends of Eclipse Platform UI and e4,
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> Platform UI:
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> Next week is milestone week, so anything cool and urgent you
>>>>>>want to
>>>>>> >> >> see in M2 should be closed in the next days. We are also
>>>>>>relatively
>>>>>> >> >> light on N&N entries, so if you have developed something cool,
>>>>>> >> >> please
>>>>>> >> >> add it there.
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> But maybe M2 was our cleanup milestone, we did some great
>>>>>>clean-up
>>>>>> >> >> work (compatibility, SWT TreeTable, Boolean.valueOf and others)
>>>>>> >> >> which
>>>>>> >> >> removed lots of garbage from our code.
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> I think it is great that more committers are getting active
>>>>>>with
>>>>>> >> >> Gerrit reviews, I especially noticed that Dirk was super active
>>>>>>with
>>>>>> >> >> reviews. Thanks to everyone who got involved with Gerrit
>>>>>>reviews.
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> Android Studio:
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> On a completely unrelated note, I'm doing Android work this
>>>>>>week
>>>>>>and
>>>>>> >> >> I'm surprised in which bad condition Android Studio is.
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> Lots of rendering issues and crashes. Hard for me to say whats
>>>>>> >> >> causing
>>>>>> >> >> that, but from where I'm looking we are way more stable and
>>>>>>faster
>>>>>> >> >> compare to it. It feel similar bad as the Eclipse Mars on SWT
>>>>>>GTK3.
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> Also the UI seem to show blocking dialogs all the time, I start
>>>>>> >> >> loving
>>>>>> >> >> Eclipse even more for our Jobs framework which currently gets
>>>>>> >> >> improvements from Stefan and Sergey. Thanks for that work, I
>>>>>>can
>>>>>> >> >> tell
>>>>>> >> >> first hand that this makes a difference if it is not there /
>>>>>>used.
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> What is really cool in Android Studio is its ability to
>>>>>>increase
>>>>>>the
>>>>>> >> >> editor font size easily, its full screen mode and its auto-save
>>>>>> >> >> feature. We already have bugs for these features targeted for
>>>>>>4.6
>>>>>> >> >> and
>>>>>> >> >> I'm looking forward to offer the nice features of AS without
>>>>>>the
>>>>>> >> >> very
>>>>>> >> >> annoying bugs of it.
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> Best regards, Lars
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> P.S. Next week I'm planning to work full time on platform, so I
>>>>>>hope
>>>>>> >> >> to get more done.
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> --
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