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Re: [platform-dev] Fwd: [Bug 305081] [api] IInstallableUnit#getFilter is marked noReference
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+1 to stop auto close, because it negates a lot of human effort
invested in each bugzilla record. It is strange to expect any new
contributors while we just through their work to the trash bin.
I wonder what Committer Representative role stands for if the
message could be claimed as "just not important".
Regards,
AF
2/10/2022 1:35 PM, Ed Merks пишет:
Please consider the opinions of your committers and
contributors as at least relatively important. We're
explaining to you what is important to us and why we feel that
way. We don't really so much appreciate our opinions being
dismissed as not important to you. We have higher expectations
from our PMC leads.
If the disease is "lack of triage", we feel that unfortunately
the "auto triage close cure" is even worse than that disease.
We're asking you to please stop sending the patients home with a
robot. We might not do a good job curing the patients and we
could and should definitely discuss how to improve our cure rate
and our patient satisfaction statistics, but in the meanwhile
please stop making the problem worse with a robot. And please
don't characterize what we say as "just not important" because
that's just plain disrespectful.
On 10.02.2022 10:52, Aleksandar
Kurtakov wrote:
I fully agree. In fact, I consider any bug that is
closed and marked as 'stalebug' as open.
Also, back in the day there seemed to be a
different triage process, and correct me if I am
wrong, but it seems that bugs that are marked as being
triaged are not auto-closed. At least some very old
bugs do not get auto-closed.
I know that it is hard to manage the huge back-log
of issues. But there seems also hardly any focus on
new incoming bugs, they are ignored until they are
finally automatically closed, which gives a really bad
impression on the overall quality of the projects.
You nailed it! It's pointless discussion whether bugs
are autoclosed or not aka stay open without anyone looking
into it or being closed without anyone looking into it.
What's important is who will triage and fix bugs, look
into gerrits and etc.? I'm very interested in the later
discussion and until we improve on it, discussing the
former is just non-important to me.
I agree. It’s happened
to many bugs I raised over the years even when they
are provably still valid, and it gives a really bad
impression to end users for limited gain.
Alex
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> On 10 Feb 2022, at 06:49, Christoph Läubrich <laeubi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
>
> +1 for disabling this.
>
>> Am 10.02.22 um 07:45 schrieb Andrey Loskutov:
>> Yes, please.
>> I believe PMC once decided it would be a
great idea to have less bugs open, so I would ask PMC
to discuss the success of this practice once again, we
should be able to reiterate on our processes.
>> I've complained https://www.eclipse.org/lists/jdt-dev/msg01419.html
already (no result), Stephan too (before he silently
quit) https://www.eclipse.org/lists/eclipse-pmc/msg03833.html,
I know other committers not happy with this practice,
and we receive constant feedback from users that this
*is* a bad practice.
>> It doesn't help anyone, just creates bad
impression for remaining few users who take time to
fill bug reports.
>> Am 10. Februar 2022 07:23:49 MEZ schrieb Ed
Merks <ed.merks@xxxxxxxxx>:
>>> Can we please turn off this "Genie" that
does this to open bugs? I've
>>> asked about this before and I really
don't like it. This time I want to
>>> really make it stop. I think such a
behavior creates a really bad
>>> impression, i.e., that we manage bugs so
poorly that we need a bot that
>>> times them out automatically because we
just can't be bothered to manage
>>> this properly. Yes, of course I know
there is much time involved in
>>> triage, but that's exactly the point. I
triaged all the p2 bugs some
>>> time ago to reduce it to the ones that
are open so these are legitimate
>>> issues that should not be auto-closed...
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Ed
>> --
>> Kind regards,
>> Andrey Loskutov
>> https://www.eclipse.org/user/aloskutov
>> Спасение утопающих - дело рук самих утопающих
>>
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