Re: [epp-dev] Time to retire the UDC?

[Wayne Beaton <wayne@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

I appreciate the data point, David. Food for thought.

Wayne

David M Williams <david_williams@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>It does seem a shame this data collection could not work out. 
>
>As one point of input: we in webtools did use the data once to set 
>priorities. We determined that our JavaScript editor _was_ in wide spread 
>use, wide-enough to justify improving it, growing the community, etc.. 
>rather then investing elsewhere. Without that data, it would have been 
>hard to assess, and, I think, it might  have been assumed it was not in 
>widespread use and not improved. 
>
>I know one case won't make or break the decision, I just wanted to point 
>out at least one case where it was useful, important data. 
>
>I would have liked to have used the data even more, over time, on a 
>regular basis, but found it hard to work with, and never did get back to 
>it, given other priorities. 
>
>It is especially unfortunate that error logs and configurations can not be 
>be provided, since that's a clear case helping to prioritize issues. 
>
>Good luck with your decision. If you decide to keep it around, and start a 
>task force on how to improve the situation, let me know. I'd try to 
>participate and help come up with a livable plan, if you think I could 
>help (little that I know about "bigdata"). I doubt its removals would be 
>ruin anything about eclipse, but, as these things often go, it may have 
>just been a bit before its time, and this kind of data will become more 
>important over the next decade of Eclipse's history? 
>
>Thanks for letting us know, 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>From:   Wayne Beaton <wayne@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>To:     epp-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>Date:   05/20/2011 04:42 PM
>Subject:        [epp-dev] Time to retire the UDC?
>Sent by:        epp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
>Hey folks.
>
>We've been running the UDC for a number of years now. Despite my own
>efforts and the efforts of several individuals, companies, and
>university researchers, we have not yet been able to make any really
>valuable use out of the data. My sense is that the amount of effort that
>we've been spending far outstrips the value of the data collected. And,
>as the bug record indicates, we really need to spend more effort to just
>maintain the status quo.
>
>Unfortunately, attracting additional committers to the project won't
>solve the problem. Ultimately, it's the huge volume of data that the
>main problem. Privacy concerns prevent us from making this data widely
>available, and careful dissemination to individuals has proven fruitless.
>
>Ian and I have discussed this and we feel that it is time to retire the 
>UDC.
>
>I am concerned about making changes to the composition of the packages
>at this late date in our development cycle, but would like to recommend
>that we do so immediately to ensure adequate time for testing. I will
>plan to archive UDC following the Indigo release.
>
>Time is very short for discussion, but I am open to suggestions or
>counterarguments.
>
>Thanks for your attention and support.
>
>Wayne
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