| Re: [epf-dev] OpenUP Summary Graphic |
Hi Mark
Yes it would be good to catch up soon.
As Chris mentioned the graphic itself isn't a problem, I think its great conceptually - and that's the same feedback we've gotten from people we've shown it to, but a few have commented on the detail of the graphic as being distracting from the concept because the cogs are mechanically incorrect.
Its minor overall and others haven't mentioned anything at all - but anything we can do to remove any obstacles from people clearly interpreting the concept is a good thing :)
Ben
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Hi Mark,
I don't *think* anyone had a problem with the graphic in general...it is
just the details (gears won't mesh, elongated tooth would bind up the
works) that was questioned. I also like the graphic.
Cheers,
Chris
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Hi
I accept what you're saying Ben and hope you didn't see my email as
arguing against your point of view :-)
I'd be very interested in learning more about your experiences with
OpenUP adoption and hope to have an opportunity to catch up and exchange
stories on that in person sometime.
Personallly I'd be fine with the idea that we have a different headline
graphic if the current one isn't doing a good enough job for the
community at large. I'd still like to be able to call on the current
graphic in some form though, even if it wasn't the headline one.
I guess this is reminding us of what Phillipe Kruchten pointed out in
his 4+1 paper in the '90's - one model viewpoint is never enough ;-)
Cheers
Mark
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Our experience is that the reaction is far less positive when talking to
software departments within companies with a wider system or mechanical
engineering focus.
Ben
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My 2cents
I talked through this diagram with someone new to OpenUP recently and
the gears idea really worked for them. The concept that actual work
pushes the project through the phase milestones rather than the team
being pushed through an arbitrary phase plan seemed to work well in
discussion.
I agree with the idea that the micro-increment should have a build
product associated with it. What we label it is open for discussion but
it should be distinguished from a "shippable build".
During discussion (and not for the first time) I found myself flipping
back to the classic RUP humpback diagram to emphasise that there is
activity from many disciplines in a phase increment - the old "iterative
not waterfall" discussion still lives :-). I seem to recall a discussion
about dropping this approach from our graphic but this may have created
a gap in the message.
Overall though, the response to the graphic has been vet positive, in my
experience.
Cheers
Mark
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A few thoughts
1. The gears are a bit distracting. We should clean them up.
2. Each of the rows should produce something. i.e. the daily cycle
results in a working build. This would help to get the idea across that
working software is a major deliverable.
Scott
On Wed, October 10, 2007 10:00 pm, Nate Oster said:
> I'm a big fan of the graphic, so I'm obviously biased, but I do see
the
> concern what I start thinking about it too much. It's that pesky
> physics always intruding on our mental models! ;)
>
>
>
> Anyway, if the notion is simply to make the gears more physically
> accurate, then I think they need teeth that are spaced properly. The
> Work Items gear, for example, could have only one tooth, so that each
> completed work item advances the iteration by one "increment" toward
> completion of a shippable Build.
>
>
>
> I DO like the "elongated tooth" on the Iteration gear. Now if we
could
> just get it to make sense. I think it's just a matter of visual
> spacing. There must be an engineer who can help us poor software
people
> out. :-)
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nate Oster
>
>
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>
>
> Hi all
>
>
>
> We have been speaking with various customers about EPF and OpenUP.
>
>
>
> We have received feedback that the main OpenUP graphic (the cogs) is
> distracting because:
>
>
>
> - it uses a mechanical metaphor to illustrate an integrated process,
yet
> the mechanics do not mesh
>
> - there is no way that the two cogs could actually mesh
>
> - the elongated tooth on the iteration cog is odd
>
> - these issues distract from the conceptual message being conveyed
>
>
>
> I have attached a modified version - this is just an example of how
the
> deficiencies in the graphic could be addressed - the graphic should be
> corrected properly by someone with better photoshop skills :)
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>
> Thoughts?
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>
>
> Ben
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