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RE: [e4-dev] Introduction::UFace, PMF & Flowr
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Hi All,
For me, it isn't possible before EclipseCon. I'm very busy. Sorry.
yves
> Hi Hallvard/All,
>
>>> And Jim, Norway is a wonderful place to ski, although it is still a bit
>>> early with short days. What kind of skiiing do you do, downhill or
>>> snowboard?
>
> Downhill, but currently it is mostly son-to-son ( I have four sons aged
> 2-5-7-9).
> In the past I visited Norway (Oslo and south coast) and liked it very
> much.
>
> Does everyone have time to meet before EclipseCon and what week would be
> best?
> For me week 9-12 is ok except March 3rd and 16th.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jim
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: e4-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:e4-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf Of Hallvard Trætteberg
>> Sent: maandag 9 februari 2009 22:08
>> To: E4 Project developer mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [e4-dev] Introduction::UFace, PMF & Flowr
>>
>> Jim van Dam wrote:
>> > Next week I'll be skiing (Switzerland not Austria, sorry Tom), but
>> > after that I am willing to travel to any of the four countries or
>> > welcome you in the Netherlands before EclipseCon to get things kicked
>> off.
>>
>> I will not be able to go to EclipseCon, but I would be very happy to
>> attend a
>> "local" European Declarative UI meeting later this year.
>>
>> And Jim, Norway is a wonderful place to ski, although it is still a bit
>> early
>> with short days. What kind of skiiing do you do, downhill or snowboard?
>>
>> Hallvard
>>
>> >
>> > Jim
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Tom Schindl [mailto:tom.schindl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> >> Sent: maandag 9 februari 2009 15:05
>> >> To: Robert Wloch
>> >> Cc: jim van dam; tom herrmann; helmar behrends
>> >> Subject: Re: [e4-dev] Introduction::UFace, PMF & Flowr
>> >>
>> >> Hi All,
>> >>
>> >> It looks like we are all located in Western Europe (Netherlands,
>> >> Germany, Austria) so we should maybe be able to arrange a meeting
>> >> somewhere in the middle (presumably after EclipseCon).
>> >>
>> >> In fact even when looking at the greater circle of Declarative UI
>> >> people
>> >> it looks Europe rules in this area:
>> >> - Hallvard Trætteberg - Norway
>> >> - Olivier Moïses - France
>> >> - Angelo Zerr - France
>> >> - Yves Yang - France
>> >> - Jim Van Dam - Netherlands
>> >> - Tom Herrmann - Germany (assumed)
>> >> - Helmar Behrends - Germany (assumed)
>> >> - Robert Wloch - Germany
>> >> - Tom Schindl - Austria
>> >>
>> >> At least Jim, Olivier, Yves and me are at EclipseCon and can meet
>> there
>> >> (I'll arrive Friday evening and stay at Hilton).
>> >>
>> >> We could meet somewhere in the middle to kick off the collabortation
>> -
>> >> I
>> >> think we need to meet in person to get the collaboration started.
>> >>
>> >> I have no problem traveling to Germany/Netherlands/... but you could
>> >> also come to Austria if you'd like to.
>> >>
>> >> Tom
>> >>
>> >> Robert Wloch schrieb:
>> >>> Tom, Jim,
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm glad you both see the same opportunity on collaboration here!
>> >> Unfortunately I won't be at the EclipseCon and it won't be possible
>> for
>> >> me to attend either, as I'll be at the MDD&PL 2009 in the very same
>> >> week. So what's your suggestion for a get together? I'll also CC Tom
>> >> Herrmann and Helmar Behrends from the Flowr team, as they'd be
>> >> interested in a common talk, too.
>> >>> Cheers,
>> >>> Rob
>> >>>
>> >>> ----- "Jim van Dam" <jim.van.dam@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >>>> Hello Rob,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Rob> > I've taken a look at UFace and PMF during the past days and
>> >>>> both
>> >>>>> interest me a lot. To me it appears as if both projects are a
>> >>>> natural
>> >>>>> symbiosis.
>> >>>> Tom> Are you going to be on EclipseCon? If yes we should all meet
>> >> like
>> >>>> on
>> >>>>> ESE and talk how we could collaborate.
>> >>>> Completely agree with you and Tom and see a lot of opportunity for
>> >>>> collaboration.
>> >>>> PMF is aiming at UI modeling/transformation from PIM to a diverse
>> >> set
>> >>>> of target platforms.
>> >>>> My personal UI target platform experience using PMF is with Swing,
>> >>>> ASP.Net/SharePoint and JSF so together we can cover a broad
>> spectrum.
>> >>>> Looking forward to meeting you all at EclipseCon. I arrive on
>> >> Saturday
>> >>>> and I believe there are different BOFS proposed for UI related
>> >>>> subjects so lots of opportunity to see how we can arrange joint
>> >>>> efforts.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Regards,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Jim
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>> From: e4-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:e4-dev-
>> bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]
>> >>>> On
>> >>>>> Behalf Of Tom Schindl
>> >>>>> Sent: zondag 8 februari 2009 22:09
>> >>>>> To: E4 Project developer mailing list
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [e4-dev] Introduction
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hi Rob,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> As the project lead of UFaceKit I'm always open for discussion
>> and
>> >>>>> collobaration.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I agree about that it looks like we 3 would we a perfect match.
>> As
>> >>>> you
>> >>>>> maybe already found out UFaceKit has quite a simple concept by
>> >>>> defining
>> >>>>> a set of interfaces and a factory to create the concrete
>> >>>> implementation.
>> >>>>> Currently we have first class support for:
>> >>>>> - SWT & JFace
>> >>>>> - QT
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Second class support for:
>> >>>>> - Swing (in fact only need to implement the styleing stuff)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Incubation work for:
>> >>>>> - Native GWT
>> >>>>> - SmartGWT
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> First ideas on:
>> >>>>> - Draw2d
>> >>>>> - Android
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I'd welcome any feedback and input (I desperately search for
>> >>>> skilled
>> >>>>> Swing-Devs) as you can imagine is hard to find for someone like
>> me.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Are you going to be on EclipseCon? If yes we should all meet like
>> >>>> on
>> >>>>> ESE
>> >>>>> and talk how we could collaborate. Maybe I also need to mention
>> >>>> that
>> >>>>> there's no fulltime coder working on UFaceKit (we are all doing
>> the
>> >>>>> stuff in our spare time!).
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Tom
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Robert Wloch schrieb:
>> >>>>>> Angelo, Ed, and all others thanks for your responses.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I've taken a look at UFace and PMF during the past days and both
>> >>>>> interest me a lot. To me it appears as if both projects are a
>> >>>> natural
>> >>>>> symbiosis.
>> >>>>>> In the team I was working in from 2006 until 2008 we were
>> >>>> developing
>> >>>>> something very similar to the PMF combined with UFace, except
>> that
>> >>>> "our
>> >>>>> UFace" consisted of a Swing and an AJAX renderer only.
>> Additionally
>> >>>> the
>> >>>>> layout of our GUI was declared via XML files, catchword
>> >>>> "declarative
>> >>>>> UI". Currently, my old team is recoding our first shot and made
>> it
>> >>>> open
>> >>>>> source: http://www.flowr.org. I believe these three parties
>> (UFace,
>> >>>> PMF,
>> >>>>> Flowr) should talk with each other soon. ;-)
>> >>>>>> Anyways, I'd be glad to contribute my share of labor and
>> knowledge
>> >>>> to
>> >>>>> PMF and UFace. Any help on how to get on board is greatly
>> >>>> appreciated!
>> >>>>>> Cheers,
>> >>>>>> Rob
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