[dash-dev] Revised home page and now a project plan too

["James Ervin" <jeervin@xxxxxxxxx>]

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From: James Ervin <jeervin@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, May 2, 2008 at 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: [dash-dev] Revised home page and now a project plan too
To: Tools for Committer Community <dash-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>


Yes I concur with Karl.  To allay your concerns Steve, I would like to make the following points.

First off, groovy-monkey is a working project that I use every day.  There are others that use it too. 

Secondly, I think the biggest thing for existing Eclipse Monkey users will be getting the Rhino Ecmascript engine to work and to port any DOM over to the new framework.  DOM porting should be relatively simple, it is the getting Rhino to behave like the other engines that I would love help with.

Thirdly, don't let the name groovy-monkey fool you, it started off as a port of Eclipse monkey to groovy, but it is now largely language agnostic.  It leverages the Bean Scripting Framework (not javax.script at this time) and any therefore implementation of a BSF Engine could be plugged in.  The only thing that is that the engine not only needs to evaluate scripts in the given language, accept variable bindings, but it must allow for interaction with POJOs through setting up the classloader for the engine.  I couldn't get Rhino (I am not an expert) nor Jython at the time to function.  I therefore settled on allowing Beanshell, Groovy and Ruby, which is what groovy-monkey currently supports.  In fact there is an extension point that defines how to plugin in a new language (in the beginning I even tried getting NetRexx and Tcl to work).

Thanks,
James

On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Karl Matthias <karl.matthias@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Steve,

Well the tool has already "gone away" in the sense that no one is maintaining it actively.  It works now, but it won't work or at least will not have been tested when Ganymede is released if nobody works on it.  There is no evidence that that is going to happen.  Thus, Bjorn is simply making a change to the project status to reflect reality.  However, James is stepping up to the plate to offer a new direction for Monkey, possibly as a new project and I'm sure he'd be happy to receive or help direct any efforts you might want to contribute to the project.

Cheers,
Karl

Steve Corwin wrote:

I'm a Java developer who is happy with the Eclipse Monkey project as-is, and rely on it for my daily work in Eclipse.  I don't think I could use Eclipse without it.  My biggest concern is that all of these proposed changes will cause a currently working tool to go away.

-Steve

Bjorn Freeman-Benson wrote:

Arnoud,

im a flex developer and find the _javascript_ part of monkey quite useful.
Will that part still be supported or is the project moving in another direction?

James has offered to restart the Monkey project (see other emails on this dev list).

For me its strange that a project like this isn't more popular. Being able to script eclipse is awesome!

I'm sure that James would welcome your participation and contributions... without committers, the project isn't going to go anywhere (as demonstrated by its lack of progress to date).

- Bjorn

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James E. Ervin, IV

A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
-Robert A. Heinlein

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