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Re: [cdt-dev] FW: CDT/embedded sessions at EclipseCon
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Hi Sebastien,
Pl. choose a time and let us know. We (interested in CDT Remote
Development BOF) will let you know whether that works or not. Anytime
this Thursday/Friday is ok with me.
Thanks,
sumit
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:41:47 -0500, Sebastien Marineau
<sebastien@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Sumit,
>
> Your suggestions are fine by me. TI, Montavista, others -- any comments?
>
> As for setting up a call -- I can do that. I'm assuming we want to have the
> others participate as well, so what time would work best for everyone?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sebastien
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cdt-dev-admin@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:cdt-dev-admin@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sumit Sarkar
> > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 5:42 PM
> > To: cdt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] FW: CDT/embedded sessions at EclipseCon
> >
> > Hi Sebastien,
> >
> > Instead of "Embedded Development and Debugging", we like to
> > call it "CDT Remote Development and Debugging" - the 1st
> > March BOF. Can we come up with a "BOF theme" - so that the
> > participants get a "platform"
> > to discuss about? Like what are the challenges a developer
> > face when they try to develop on a Remote machine and then
> > what are the solutions are being currently worked on.
> >
> > Can we setup a meeting (may be next week) to discuss further
> > on this BOF?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > sumit
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:05:14 -0500, Sebastien Marineau
> > <sebastien@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > Good catch -- that is indeed Tuesday the 28th :-)
> > >
> > > So here's where we are at for the BOFs:
> > >
> > > Eclipse CDT BOF
> > > Intel (20 min) - Leo Treggiari - Managed Build System
> > overview Altera
> > > (10-20 mins?) - Tracy Miranda - What Altera has been doing,
> > > discussion on CDT features IBM (20 mins) - John Camelon -
> > the latest
> > > in cool parsing, and demo of the DOM viewer IBM (20 mins) - Doug -
> > > Demo of IBM C++/UML visualizer (built on CDT) QNX (15 mins) - Dave
> > > Inglis - Debug discussion
> > >
> > > Embedded development and debugging
> > > TI (20 mins) -- Chris Recoskie - demo, remote debugging issues
> > > Montavista (20 mins) - Pierre-Alexandre Masse - current status on
> > > remote debug, ideas for the future HP -- Sumit Sarkar - Remote
> > > development?
> > >
> > > In terms of other participation, how about WindRiver,
> > Timesys, Redhat,
> > > Rockwell, others?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Sebastien
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: cdt-dev-admin@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:cdt-dev-admin@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Pierre-Alexandre
> > > > Masse
> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 3:44 PM
> > > > To: cdt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] FW: CDT/embedded sessions at EclipseCon
> > > >
> > > > Do you mean it will be a week without Tuesday then?
> > > > Just kidding ;)
> > > >
> > > > Pierre-Alexandre
> > > >
> > > > Recoskie, Chris wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > 2005 isn't a leap year so doing a BOF on the 29^th may
> > > > prove difficult
> > > > > without a flux capacitor
> > > > >
> > > > > ___________________________________________
> > > > >
> > > > > Chris Recoskie
> > > > >
> > > > > Software Designer
> > > > >
> > > > > IDE Frameworks Group
> > > > >
> > > > > Texas Instruments, Toronto
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > *From:* cdt-dev-admin@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > [mailto:cdt-dev-admin@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > *On Behalf Of *Sebastien Marineau
> > > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 19, 2005 5:14 PM
> > > > > *To:* cdt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > *Subject:* [cdt-dev] FW: CDT/embedded sessions at EclipseCon
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi folks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Concerning the BOFs, I did get information back from the
> > > > > EclipseCon organizers -- please see the email from
> > Bjorn further
> > > > > below. The bottom line is that we have the freedom to
> > organize our
> > > > > own
> > > > BOFs, as
> > > > > well as set the schedule.
> > > > >
> > > > > To get the ball rolling, our original proposal was to hold
> > > > 2 BOFs, as
> > > > > listed below.
> > > > >
> > > > > Eclipse CDT BOF:
> > > > >
> > > > > Meet the experts and discuss the implementation and
> > > > direction of CDT.
> > > > > The format will likely be a series of mini-overviews on
> > different
> > > > > aspects of CDT along with open discussions.Intel, IBM, QNX
> > > > and Redhat
> > > > > have volunteered to present here. We will also try to get a few
> > > > > customers to present their experiences.
> > > > >
> > > > > Remote development and debugging BOF:
> > > > >
> > > > > TI, HP, Montavista and IBM have expressed strong interest
> > > > in hosting
> > > > > this. The main focus would be on the specific
> > challenges of using
> > > > > Eclipse and CDT in a host/target configuration, both for
> > > > development
> > > > > and debugging. This spans the range from deeply
> > embedded (TI) to
> > > > > traditional embedded (Mvista) to the server/mini types of
> > > > apps (HP and
> > > > > IBM). I also expect we can get a couple of customers to
> > > > participate in
> > > > > this as well.
> > > > >
> > > > > My suggestion is to schedule these for the Tuesday and
> > > > Wednesday - the
> > > > > general CDT BOF on Tuesday the 29th, and the remote
> > > > > development/debugging BOF on Wednesday (March 1st).
> > > > >
> > > > > As for the content, I do know that additional companies (e.g.
> > > > > Windriver) have expressed interest in participating, so
> > > > maybe we can
> > > > > start by having everyone throw out what they'd like to
> > contribute
> > > > > (discussion topics, mini-presentations, demos etc) and
> > > > we'll collect
> > > > > it into the BOF "program".
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > >
> > > > > Sebastien
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > --
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > *From:* Bjorn Freeman-Benson [mailto:bjorn@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 19, 2005 4:21 PM
> > > > > *To:* 'Dwight Deugo'; sebastien@xxxxxxx
> > > > > *Subject:* RE: CDT/embedded sessions at EclipseCon
> > > > >
> > > > > Sebastien,
> > > > >
> > > > > Please forward this clarification to the CDT mailing
> > > > list - thank you.
> > > > >
> > > > > I, as the EclipseCon Organizing Chair / Final
> > Arbitrar of All
> > > > > Things EclipseCon, received a forwarded copy of
> > this CDT mailing
> > > > > list and I'd like to take the opportunity to set the record
> > > > > straight / clarify the situation...
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello All,
> > > > >
> > > > > While working out some issues with my registration
> > > > I just got
> > > > > word from Meeting Strategies Worldwide (they're
> > doing the
> > > > > registration etc for EclipseCon) that the
> > decision on which
> > > > > BOFs to go with will be made onsite. Yes, you read
> > > > that right
> > > > > - onsite on the day of.
> > > > >
> > > > > This means that if we want to do a BOF we will have
> > > > to submit
> > > > > our proposals yet again.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Relevant text quoted:
> > > > >
> > > > > **_I have just received word today that all BoF
> > submissions
> > > > > have been neither accepted nor rejected - all BoFs
> > > > will now be
> > > > > decided upon onsite at the conference. An email
> > will be sent
> > > > > very soon, to all people who have submitted BoFs
> > > > detailing the
> > > > > process for getting their BoF submitted onsite._**
> > > > >
> > > > > It might be worthwhile to not rely on the EclipseCon
> > > > > organizers for this and organize a BOF ourselves -
> > > > does anyone
> > > > > from the Bay area got some meeting space they
> > could donate?
> > > > > ;^)
> > > > >
> > > > > We (and by this I mean the Singular We, i.e., me) decided to
> > > > > organize the BOFs at EclipseCon 2005 exactly the
> > same way they
> > > > > were run at EclipseCon 2004. We made this choice
> > because it is
> > > > > organizationally much simpler. Here's how it worked
> > > > last year and
> > > > > here's how it's going to work this year:
> > > > >
> > > > > * One goal for BOFs is to facilitate the informal
> > > > gathering of
> > > > > similarly interested attendees.
> > > > >
> > > > > * Another goal for BOFs is to make the process
> > of gathering
> > > > > for a BOF as simple as possible for everyone involved.
> > > > >
> > > > > * Another goal is to make best use of the
> > meeting space we
> > > > > have available. Thus we want to provide the
> > > > larger rooms to
> > > > > the BOFs with more people and the smaller
> > rooms to those
> > > > > with fewer people.
> > > > >
> > > > > * An explicit negative goal for BOFs is to prevent
> > > > their being
> > > > > hijacked by companies using them as
> > advertising pitches.
> > > > > Allowing BOFs to be pre-scheduled has, at other
> > > > conferences,
> > > > > allowed them to be taken over by marketing types.
> > > > >
> > > > > So, here's the process - it's very simple and I think
> > > > you'll find
> > > > > that it easily meets your needs as well our overall goals:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. At EclipseCon there is a bulletin board. Beside
> > > > the bulletin
> > > > > board are blank sign-up sheets.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. You arrive at the conference, you go to the
> > > > bulletin board,
> > > > > you take a sign-up sheet and write "CDT" in
> > the title box.
> > > > > You thumb tack it on the bulletin board.
> > > > >
> > > > > 3. During the day, interested people sign up on
> > the sheets on
> > > > > the board for the BOFs they are interested in.
> > > > >
> > > > > 4. At 5pm, the organizers (that's me or one of the other
> > > > > volunteers) looks at the attendance of each
> > of the BOFs on
> > > > > the board and assigns them to rooms by writing, in big
> > > > > letters, the room name (e.g., Seaside B) on the page.
> > > > >
> > > > > 5. After enjoying the free food at the reception
> > > > that evening,
> > > > > people wander by the bulletin board to learn
> > which room
> > > > > their BOF is assigned to.
> > > > >
> > > > > This process meets the goals:
> > > > >
> > > > > * People can decided to meet in a BOF in
> > advance or at the
> > > > > last minute. If you want to schedule it in
> > advance, simple
> > > > > agree amongst all your colleagues that you are
> > > > going to have
> > > > > a BOF on, say, Tuesday night. Put up a sign-up sheet,
> > > > > sign-up, and get assigned a room. The BOF I'm
> > involved in
> > > > > (Language Toolkits and Universal IDEs) is doing
> > > > exactly that
> > > > > - see the announcement that Chris Laffra posted to the
> > > > > eclipse.eclipsecon newsgroup.
> > > > >
> > > > > * Simple physical sheets of paper are easy. Without
> > > > having to
> > > > > write any complex programs, they allow us to
> > > > easily allocate
> > > > > rooms by size and they are easy for the people
> > > > attending the
> > > > > conference to sign up on and to read.
> > > > >
> > > > > * Allocating rooms at 5pm the day-of allows us
> > to make the
> > > > > best use of space. There are plenty of rooms,
> > but some of
> > > > > them are very small and I'd hate to have to
> > pre-guess the
> > > > > size of each BOF. I know I don't know whether CDT
> > > > or WTP is
> > > > > going to draw a larger crowd. This way we will know.
> > > > >
> > > > > * Not pre-scheduling BOFs prevents vendors from
> > > > using them as
> > > > > advertising rooms because they can't say "come by
> > > > room X at
> > > > > time Y to hear us talk about product Z". It
> > allows you and
> > > > > your colleagues to do so, because you are collectively
> > > > > agreeing to meet, but it prevents sales
> > pitches because in
> > > > > those cases there is no collective agreement - it's a
> > > > > one-way communication.
> > > > >
> > > > > So, by all means, please schedule a CDT BOF. I look
> > forward to
> > > > > your having a really great time at the conference, and
> > > > I apologize
> > > > > if this mechanism was not explained to you before.
> > Mea culpa...
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Bjorn Freeman-Benson
> > > > >
> > > > > EclipseCon Organizing Chair
> > > > >
> > > >
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