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Re: [cdt-dev] FW: CDT/embedded sessions at EclipseCon
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Hi Sebastien,
Instead of "Embedded Development and Debugging", we like to call it
"CDT Remote Development and Debugging" - the 1st March BOF. Can we
come up with a "BOF theme" - so that the participants get a "platform"
to discuss about? Like what are the challenges a developer face when
they try to develop on a Remote machine and then what are the
solutions are being currently worked on.
Can we setup a meeting (may be next week) to discuss further on this BOF?
Thanks,
sumit
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:05:14 -0500, Sebastien Marineau
<sebastien@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> Good catch -- that is indeed Tuesday the 28th :-)
>
> So here's where we are at for the BOFs:
>
> Eclipse CDT BOF
> Intel (20 min) - Leo Treggiari - Managed Build System overview
> Altera (10-20 mins?) - Tracy Miranda - What Altera has been doing,
> discussion on CDT features
> IBM (20 mins) - John Camelon - the latest in cool parsing, and demo of the
> DOM viewer
> IBM (20 mins) - Doug - Demo of IBM C++/UML visualizer (built on CDT)
> QNX (15 mins) - Dave Inglis - Debug discussion
>
> Embedded development and debugging
> TI (20 mins) -- Chris Recoskie - demo, remote debugging issues
> Montavista (20 mins) - Pierre-Alexandre Masse - current status on remote
> debug, ideas for the future
> HP -- Sumit Sarkar - Remote development?
>
> In terms of other participation, how about WindRiver, Timesys, Redhat,
> Rockwell, others?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sebastien
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cdt-dev-admin@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:cdt-dev-admin@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Pierre-Alexandre Masse
> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 3:44 PM
> > To: cdt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] FW: CDT/embedded sessions at EclipseCon
> >
> > Do you mean it will be a week without Tuesday then?
> > Just kidding ;)
> >
> > Pierre-Alexandre
> >
> > Recoskie, Chris wrote:
> >
> > > 2005 isn't a leap year so doing a BOF on the 29^th may
> > prove difficult
> > > without a flux capacitor
> > >
> > > ___________________________________________
> > >
> > > Chris Recoskie
> > >
> > > Software Designer
> > >
> > > IDE Frameworks Group
> > >
> > > Texas Instruments, Toronto
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > *From:* cdt-dev-admin@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cdt-dev-admin@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > *On Behalf Of *Sebastien Marineau
> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 19, 2005 5:14 PM
> > > *To:* cdt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > *Subject:* [cdt-dev] FW: CDT/embedded sessions at EclipseCon
> > >
> > > Hi folks,
> > >
> > > Concerning the BOFs, I did get information back from the EclipseCon
> > > organizers -- please see the email from Bjorn further below. The
> > > bottom line is that we have the freedom to organize our own
> > BOFs, as
> > > well as set the schedule.
> > >
> > > To get the ball rolling, our original proposal was to hold
> > 2 BOFs, as
> > > listed below.
> > >
> > > Eclipse CDT BOF:
> > >
> > > Meet the experts and discuss the implementation and
> > direction of CDT.
> > > The format will likely be a series of mini-overviews on different
> > > aspects of CDT along with open discussions.Intel, IBM, QNX
> > and Redhat
> > > have volunteered to present here. We will also try to get a few
> > > customers to present their experiences.
> > >
> > > Remote development and debugging BOF:
> > >
> > > TI, HP, Montavista and IBM have expressed strong interest
> > in hosting
> > > this. The main focus would be on the specific challenges of using
> > > Eclipse and CDT in a host/target configuration, both for
> > development
> > > and debugging. This spans the range from deeply embedded (TI) to
> > > traditional embedded (Mvista) to the server/mini types of
> > apps (HP and
> > > IBM). I also expect we can get a couple of customers to
> > participate in
> > > this as well.
> > >
> > > My suggestion is to schedule these for the Tuesday and
> > Wednesday - the
> > > general CDT BOF on Tuesday the 29th, and the remote
> > > development/debugging BOF on Wednesday (March 1st).
> > >
> > > As for the content, I do know that additional companies (e.g.
> > > Windriver) have expressed interest in participating, so
> > maybe we can
> > > start by having everyone throw out what they'd like to contribute
> > > (discussion topics, mini-presentations, demos etc) and
> > we'll collect
> > > it into the BOF "program".
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Sebastien
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > --
> > >
> > > *From:* Bjorn Freeman-Benson [mailto:bjorn@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 19, 2005 4:21 PM
> > > *To:* 'Dwight Deugo'; sebastien@xxxxxxx
> > > *Subject:* RE: CDT/embedded sessions at EclipseCon
> > >
> > > Sebastien,
> > >
> > > Please forward this clarification to the CDT mailing
> > list - thank you.
> > >
> > > I, as the EclipseCon Organizing Chair / Final Arbitrar of All
> > > Things EclipseCon, received a forwarded copy of this CDT mailing
> > > list and I'd like to take the opportunity to set the record
> > > straight / clarify the situation...
> > >
> > > Hello All,
> > >
> > > While working out some issues with my registration
> > I just got
> > > word from Meeting Strategies Worldwide (they're doing the
> > > registration etc for EclipseCon) that the decision on which
> > > BOFs to go with will be made onsite. Yes, you read
> > that right
> > > - onsite on the day of.
> > >
> > > This means that if we want to do a BOF we will have
> > to submit
> > > our proposals yet again.
> > >
> > >
> > > Relevant text quoted:
> > >
> > > **_I have just received word today that all BoF submissions
> > > have been neither accepted nor rejected - all BoFs
> > will now be
> > > decided upon onsite at the conference. An email will be sent
> > > very soon, to all people who have submitted BoFs
> > detailing the
> > > process for getting their BoF submitted onsite._**
> > >
> > > It might be worthwhile to not rely on the EclipseCon
> > > organizers for this and organize a BOF ourselves -
> > does anyone
> > > from the Bay area got some meeting space they could donate?
> > > ;^)
> > >
> > > We (and by this I mean the Singular We, i.e., me) decided to
> > > organize the BOFs at EclipseCon 2005 exactly the same way they
> > > were run at EclipseCon 2004. We made this choice because it is
> > > organizationally much simpler. Here's how it worked
> > last year and
> > > here's how it's going to work this year:
> > >
> > > * One goal for BOFs is to facilitate the informal
> > gathering of
> > > similarly interested attendees.
> > >
> > > * Another goal for BOFs is to make the process of gathering
> > > for a BOF as simple as possible for everyone involved.
> > >
> > > * Another goal is to make best use of the meeting space we
> > > have available. Thus we want to provide the
> > larger rooms to
> > > the BOFs with more people and the smaller rooms to those
> > > with fewer people.
> > >
> > > * An explicit negative goal for BOFs is to prevent
> > their being
> > > hijacked by companies using them as advertising pitches.
> > > Allowing BOFs to be pre-scheduled has, at other
> > conferences,
> > > allowed them to be taken over by marketing types.
> > >
> > > So, here's the process - it's very simple and I think
> > you'll find
> > > that it easily meets your needs as well our overall goals:
> > >
> > > 1. At EclipseCon there is a bulletin board. Beside
> > the bulletin
> > > board are blank sign-up sheets.
> > >
> > > 2. You arrive at the conference, you go to the
> > bulletin board,
> > > you take a sign-up sheet and write "CDT" in the title box.
> > > You thumb tack it on the bulletin board.
> > >
> > > 3. During the day, interested people sign up on the sheets on
> > > the board for the BOFs they are interested in.
> > >
> > > 4. At 5pm, the organizers (that's me or one of the other
> > > volunteers) looks at the attendance of each of the BOFs on
> > > the board and assigns them to rooms by writing, in big
> > > letters, the room name (e.g., Seaside B) on the page.
> > >
> > > 5. After enjoying the free food at the reception
> > that evening,
> > > people wander by the bulletin board to learn which room
> > > their BOF is assigned to.
> > >
> > > This process meets the goals:
> > >
> > > * People can decided to meet in a BOF in advance or at the
> > > last minute. If you want to schedule it in advance, simple
> > > agree amongst all your colleagues that you are
> > going to have
> > > a BOF on, say, Tuesday night. Put up a sign-up sheet,
> > > sign-up, and get assigned a room. The BOF I'm involved in
> > > (Language Toolkits and Universal IDEs) is doing
> > exactly that
> > > - see the announcement that Chris Laffra posted to the
> > > eclipse.eclipsecon newsgroup.
> > >
> > > * Simple physical sheets of paper are easy. Without
> > having to
> > > write any complex programs, they allow us to
> > easily allocate
> > > rooms by size and they are easy for the people
> > attending the
> > > conference to sign up on and to read.
> > >
> > > * Allocating rooms at 5pm the day-of allows us to make the
> > > best use of space. There are plenty of rooms, but some of
> > > them are very small and I'd hate to have to pre-guess the
> > > size of each BOF. I know I don't know whether CDT
> > or WTP is
> > > going to draw a larger crowd. This way we will know.
> > >
> > > * Not pre-scheduling BOFs prevents vendors from
> > using them as
> > > advertising rooms because they can't say "come by
> > room X at
> > > time Y to hear us talk about product Z". It allows you and
> > > your colleagues to do so, because you are collectively
> > > agreeing to meet, but it prevents sales pitches because in
> > > those cases there is no collective agreement - it's a
> > > one-way communication.
> > >
> > > So, by all means, please schedule a CDT BOF. I look forward to
> > > your having a really great time at the conference, and
> > I apologize
> > > if this mechanism was not explained to you before. Mea culpa...
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Bjorn Freeman-Benson
> > >
> > > EclipseCon Organizing Chair
> > >
> >
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