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RE: [cdt-dev] FW: CDT/embedded sessions at EclipseCon

Good catch -- that is indeed Tuesday the 28th :-)

So here's where we are at for the BOFs:

Eclipse CDT BOF
Intel (20 min) - Leo Treggiari - Managed Build System overview
Altera (10-20 mins?) - Tracy Miranda  - What Altera has been doing,
discussion on CDT features
IBM (20 mins) - John Camelon - the latest in cool parsing, and demo of the
DOM viewer
IBM (20 mins) - Doug - Demo of IBM C++/UML visualizer (built on CDT)
QNX (15 mins) - Dave Inglis - Debug discussion

Embedded development and debugging
TI (20 mins) -- Chris Recoskie - demo, remote debugging issues
Montavista (20 mins) - Pierre-Alexandre Masse - current status on remote
debug, ideas for the future
HP -- Sumit Sarkar - Remote development?

In terms of other participation, how about WindRiver, Timesys, Redhat,
Rockwell, others?

Thanks,

Sebastien

> -----Original Message-----
> From: cdt-dev-admin@xxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:cdt-dev-admin@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Pierre-Alexandre Masse
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 3:44 PM
> To: cdt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] FW: CDT/embedded sessions at EclipseCon
> 
> Do you mean it will be a week without Tuesday then?
> Just kidding ;)
> 
> Pierre-Alexandre
> 
> Recoskie, Chris wrote:
> 
> > 2005 isn't a leap year so doing a BOF on the 29^th may 
> prove difficult 
> > without a flux capacitor
> >
> > ___________________________________________
> >
> > Chris Recoskie
> >
> > Software Designer
> >
> > IDE Frameworks Group
> >
> > Texas Instruments, Toronto
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > *From:* cdt-dev-admin@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cdt-dev-admin@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > *On Behalf Of *Sebastien Marineau
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 19, 2005 5:14 PM
> > *To:* cdt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > *Subject:* [cdt-dev] FW: CDT/embedded sessions at EclipseCon
> >
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > Concerning the BOFs, I did get information back from the EclipseCon 
> > organizers -- please see the email from Bjorn further below. The 
> > bottom line is that we have the freedom to organize our own 
> BOFs, as 
> > well as set the schedule.
> >
> > To get the ball rolling, our original proposal was to hold 
> 2 BOFs, as 
> > listed below.
> >
> > Eclipse CDT BOF:
> >
> > Meet the experts and discuss the implementation and 
> direction of CDT. 
> > The format will likely be a series of mini-overviews on different 
> > aspects of CDT along with open discussions.Intel, IBM, QNX 
> and Redhat 
> > have volunteered to present here. We will also try to get a few 
> > customers to present their experiences.
> >
> > Remote development and debugging BOF:
> >
> > TI, HP, Montavista and IBM have expressed strong interest 
> in hosting 
> > this. The main focus would be on the specific challenges of using 
> > Eclipse and CDT in a host/target configuration, both for 
> development 
> > and debugging. This spans the range from deeply embedded (TI) to 
> > traditional embedded (Mvista) to the server/mini types of 
> apps (HP and 
> > IBM). I also expect we can get a couple of customers to 
> participate in 
> > this as well.
> >
> > My suggestion is to schedule these for the Tuesday and 
> Wednesday - the 
> > general CDT BOF on Tuesday the 29th, and the remote 
> > development/debugging BOF on Wednesday (March 1st).
> >
> > As for the content, I do know that additional companies (e.g. 
> > Windriver) have expressed interest in participating, so 
> maybe we can 
> > start by having everyone throw out what they'd like to contribute 
> > (discussion topics, mini-presentations, demos etc) and 
> we'll collect 
> > it into the BOF "program".
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Sebastien
> >
> >     
> > 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > --
> >
> >     *From:* Bjorn Freeman-Benson [mailto:bjorn@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >     *Sent:* Wednesday, January 19, 2005 4:21 PM
> >     *To:* 'Dwight Deugo'; sebastien@xxxxxxx
> >     *Subject:* RE: CDT/embedded sessions at EclipseCon
> >
> >     Sebastien,
> >
> >     Please forward this clarification to the CDT mailing 
> list - thank you.
> >
> >     I, as the EclipseCon Organizing Chair / Final Arbitrar of All
> >     Things EclipseCon, received a forwarded copy of this CDT mailing
> >     list and I'd like to take the opportunity to set the record
> >     straight / clarify the situation...
> >
> >         Hello All,
> >
> >         While working out some issues with my registration 
> I just got
> >         word from Meeting Strategies Worldwide (they're doing the
> >         registration etc for EclipseCon) that the decision on which
> >         BOFs to go with will be made onsite. Yes, you read 
> that right
> >         - onsite on the day of.
> >
> >         This means that if we want to do a BOF we will have 
> to submit
> >         our proposals yet again.
> >
> >
> >         Relevant text quoted:
> >
> >         **_I have just received word today that all BoF submissions
> >         have been neither accepted nor rejected - all BoFs 
> will now be
> >         decided upon onsite at the conference. An email will be sent
> >         very soon, to all people who have submitted BoFs 
> detailing the
> >         process for getting their BoF submitted onsite._**
> >
> >         It might be worthwhile to not rely on the EclipseCon
> >         organizers for this and organize a BOF ourselves - 
> does anyone
> >         from the Bay area got some meeting space they could donate? 
> > ;^)
> >
> >     We (and by this I mean the Singular We, i.e., me) decided to
> >     organize the BOFs at EclipseCon 2005 exactly the same way they
> >     were run at EclipseCon 2004. We made this choice because it is
> >     organizationally much simpler. Here's how it worked 
> last year and
> >     here's how it's going to work this year:
> >
> >         * One goal for BOFs is to facilitate the informal 
> gathering of
> >           similarly interested attendees.
> >
> >         * Another goal for BOFs is to make the process of gathering
> >           for a BOF as simple as possible for everyone involved.
> >
> >         * Another goal is to make best use of the meeting space we
> >           have available. Thus we want to provide the 
> larger rooms to
> >           the BOFs with more people and the smaller rooms to those
> >           with fewer people.
> >
> >         * An explicit negative goal for BOFs is to prevent 
> their being
> >           hijacked by companies using them as advertising pitches.
> >           Allowing BOFs to be pre-scheduled has, at other 
> conferences,
> >           allowed them to be taken over by marketing types.
> >
> >     So, here's the process - it's very simple and I think 
> you'll find
> >     that it easily meets your needs as well our overall goals:
> >
> >        1. At EclipseCon there is a bulletin board. Beside 
> the bulletin
> >           board are blank sign-up sheets.
> >
> >        2. You arrive at the conference, you go to the 
> bulletin board,
> >           you take a sign-up sheet and write "CDT" in the title box.
> >           You thumb tack it on the bulletin board.
> >
> >        3. During the day, interested people sign up on the sheets on
> >           the board for the BOFs they are interested in.
> >
> >        4. At 5pm, the organizers (that's me or one of the other
> >           volunteers) looks at the attendance of each of the BOFs on
> >           the board and assigns them to rooms by writing, in big
> >           letters, the room name (e.g., Seaside B) on the page.
> >
> >        5. After enjoying the free food at the reception 
> that evening,
> >           people wander by the bulletin board to learn which room
> >           their BOF is assigned to.
> >
> >     This process meets the goals:
> >
> >         * People can decided to meet in a BOF in advance or at the
> >           last minute. If you want to schedule it in advance, simple
> >           agree amongst all your colleagues that you are 
> going to have
> >           a BOF on, say, Tuesday night. Put up a sign-up sheet,
> >           sign-up, and get assigned a room. The BOF I'm involved in
> >           (Language Toolkits and Universal IDEs) is doing 
> exactly that
> >           - see the announcement that Chris Laffra posted to the
> >           eclipse.eclipsecon newsgroup.
> >
> >         * Simple physical sheets of paper are easy. Without 
> having to
> >           write any complex programs, they allow us to 
> easily allocate
> >           rooms by size and they are easy for the people 
> attending the
> >           conference to sign up on and to read.
> >
> >         * Allocating rooms at 5pm the day-of allows us to make the
> >           best use of space. There are plenty of rooms, but some of
> >           them are very small and I'd hate to have to pre-guess the
> >           size of each BOF. I know I don't know whether CDT 
> or WTP is
> >           going to draw a larger crowd. This way we will know.
> >
> >         * Not pre-scheduling BOFs prevents vendors from 
> using them as
> >           advertising rooms because they can't say "come by 
> room X at
> >           time Y to hear us talk about product Z". It allows you and
> >           your colleagues to do so, because you are collectively
> >           agreeing to meet, but it prevents sales pitches because in
> >           those cases there is no collective agreement - it's a
> >           one-way communication.
> >
> >     So, by all means, please schedule a CDT BOF. I look forward to
> >     your having a really great time at the conference, and 
> I apologize
> >     if this mechanism was not explained to you before. Mea culpa...
> >
> >     Regards,
> >
> >     Bjorn Freeman-Benson
> >
> >     EclipseCon Organizing Chair
> >
> 
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