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As the EPPs adapt it, we should also "eat our own dogfood" and include it into our SDK. See Bug 534991.
you mean "drink our own champagne"?
Definitely too late for 4.8. We can see how the feedback is from the Java package and then decide during 4.9.
I‘m against that I think the platform should stay as lean and small as possible
I'm +-0 (neutral) but only if the default is not to open any popups, because of test stability.
(In reply to Andrey Loskutov from comment #4) > I'm +-0 (neutral) but only if the default is not to open any popups, because > of test stability. Currently it does open the Tips window and I think this is fair. For tests we'd have to pass a property to disable this.
(In reply to Dani Megert from comment #5) > (In reply to Andrey Loskutov from comment #4) Default startup can be set with a property: https://wiki.eclipse.org/Tip_of_the_Day/Startup_Options
(In reply to Wim Jongman from comment #6) > (In reply to Dani Megert from comment #5) > > (In reply to Andrey Loskutov from comment #4) > > Default startup can be set with a property: > > https://wiki.eclipse.org/Tip_of_the_Day/Startup_Options Yes, but it might be a lot of work for everyone to change their tests and pass that property. If I remember correctly we set a property when running tests. If so, Tips could use that and not show the tips in that case.
(In reply to Thomas Schindl from comment #3) > I‘m against that I think the platform should stay as lean and small as > possible True for the platform. But the SDK should contain everything we give our users so that we can ensure it works well.
New Gerrit change created: https://git.eclipse.org/r/123746
(In reply to Dani Megert from comment #7) > (In reply to Wim Jongman from comment #6) > > (In reply to Dani Megert from comment #5) > > > (In reply to Andrey Loskutov from comment #4) > > > > Default startup can be set with a property: > > > > https://wiki.eclipse.org/Tip_of_the_Day/Startup_Options > > Yes, but it might be a lot of work for everyone to change their tests and > pass that property. If I remember correctly we set a property when running > tests. If so, Tips could use that and not show the tips in that case. Tips are not shown by default now. Any additional concerns?
(In reply to Lars Vogel from comment #10) > (In reply to Dani Megert from comment #7) > > (In reply to Wim Jongman from comment #6) > > > (In reply to Dani Megert from comment #5) > > > > (In reply to Andrey Loskutov from comment #4) > > > > > > Default startup can be set with a property: > > > > > > https://wiki.eclipse.org/Tip_of_the_Day/Startup_Options > > > > Yes, but it might be a lot of work for everyone to change their tests and > > pass that property. If I remember correctly we set a property when running > > tests. If so, Tips could use that and not show the tips in that case. > > Tips are not shown by default now. Any additional concerns? Let's wait for the feedback on 4.8 EPPs.
(In reply to Dani Megert from comment #11) > Let's wait for the feedback on 4.8 EPPs. I send an email to EPP to ask for feedback on this bug.
Created attachment 275456 [details] Tip Statistics
I think we currently have Tips in 3 different packages. Given this, the number of uses is quite large. I checked one random tip and it was downloaded 20.000 times across all mirrors since release. We did not get any user problem reports other than from close contributors. We also did not receive any AERI reports. Please see the attached PDF.
(In reply to Wim Jongman from comment #14) > I think we currently have Tips in 3 different packages. Given this, the > number of uses is quite large. I checked one random tip and it was > downloaded 20.000 times across all mirrors since release. > > We did not get any user problem reports other than from close contributors. > We also did not receive any AERI reports. > > Please see the attached PDF. Looks like lots of our users are using this. I think this is a good data point to integrate it into the SDK. Dani, WDYT?
(In reply to Lars Vogel from comment #15) > (In reply to Wim Jongman from comment #14) > > I think we currently have Tips in 3 different packages. Given this, the > > number of uses is quite large. I checked one random tip and it was > > downloaded 20.000 times across all mirrors since release. > > > > We did not get any user problem reports other than from close contributors. > > We also did not receive any AERI reports. > > > > Please see the attached PDF. > > Looks like lots of our users are using this. I think this is a good data > point to integrate it into the SDK. Dani, WDYT? For me it is definitely too late to add such a bug feature for RC1. We can add it early 4.10 so that we have enough time should there be any unexpected issues.
(In reply to Dani Megert from comment #16) > For me it is definitely too late to add such a bug feature for RC1. We can > add it early 4.10 so that we have enough time should there be any unexpected > issues. Ok
Gerrit change https://git.eclipse.org/r/123746 was merged to [master]. Commit: http://git.eclipse.org/c/platform/eclipse.platform.releng.aggregator.git/commit/?id=c18b093d3d771e01365bce4f21edf7ccad5bd29e
Wim, please add to N&N for 4.10.