Bug 263591 - EclipseSource blogs trump each other
Summary: EclipseSource blogs trump each other
Status: RESOLVED NOT_ECLIPSE
Alias: None
Product: z_Archived
Classification: Eclipse Foundation
Component: PlanetEclipse (show other bugs)
Version: unspecified   Edit
Hardware: PC Windows XP
: P3 major (vote)
Target Milestone: ---   Edit
Assignee: Gunnar Wagenknecht CLA
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Reported: 2009-02-04 01:07 EST by Ian Bull CLA
Modified: 2019-08-20 10:42 EDT (History)
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Description Ian Bull CLA 2009-02-04 01:07:08 EST
It seems that when a new EclipseSource blog shows up, all the previous ones disappear.  As well, some of the feeds (look at irbull or zx) are tagged as inactive.  While I probably don't blog as often as I should, I'm pretty sure Chris's blog is not inactive ;).
Comment 1 Gunnar Wagenknecht CLA 2009-02-04 03:50:09 EST
It seems that our feed aggregator is not perfect at separating links from the *same* blog pointing to different categories/authors. Can you guys wrap you author/category specific feeds behind another service like Feedburner or so?
Comment 2 Gunnar Wagenknecht CLA 2009-02-04 03:50:51 EST
Another option would be to use WordPress MU instead of WordPress to have really individual blogs per author.
Comment 3 Ian Bull CLA 2009-02-04 12:02:21 EST
I don't know much about feedburner.

Do you think this will work:
http://feeds2.feedburner.com/irbull

or is that not the actual rss feed?  
Comment 4 Ian Bull CLA 2009-02-16 00:32:57 EST
Turns out that feedburner doesn't fix the problem, since it still just points to the original blogs.  I am going to try yahoo pipes (I think this actually re-publishes the posts).  I'll let you know if this works.
Comment 5 Jeff McAffer CLA 2009-02-19 12:36:14 EST
Looks like this problem is affecting more and more people.  Ian Skerrett's blog for example only shows up once though he has at least 3 blogs that fit in the planet's timeframe.  This  may well also be a problem for all the projects that are blogging using eclipse.org blogs.

I'm sure that this used to work (I blogged twice in a row and both showed up on the planet). Something must have changed.
Comment 6 Ian Bull CLA 2009-02-19 12:56:39 EST
I just looked at PlanetGnome, and it appears that it supports multiple posts from the same person.  Gunnar, have we modified the code for planet ourselves?
Comment 7 Gunnar Wagenknecht CLA 2009-02-20 02:24:16 EST
We did not customize the code. We have a different configuration, though. I increased the "new_feed_items" value to 3. This should allow three new items peer single feed. 

We limited it to 1 previously because we have some broken feeds. Whenever someone post a new item older items also appear on top again. Therefore this limit was put in place.

However, I tend to close this as NOT_ECLIPSE. I guess there is some logic in Planet which identifies your feeds as feeds from the same single blog. You guys are using a single installation of WordPress. Why don't you use WordPress M(ulti)U(ser)? That gives real separate feeds. 
Comment 8 Jeff McAffer CLA 2009-02-20 14:34:28 EST
can we increase the number futher?  Active bloggers will get dropped.  Currently the planet is showing about 2 weeks worth of posts.  Not sure where the limit comes from but that is pretty reasonable.  An active blogger might post quite some number of times in that period.  Further, various companies (TaskTop, EclipseSource) and projects have "shared blogs".  These will have some number of people posting on one blog.

I understand the point about misbehaving feeds but frankly would say that misbehaving feeds should just be removed until they are behaving well.  

the planet is a very important site for the foundation, the projects/committers and the community.  We get 1M+ hits a month.  We have enough trouble getting content out there without having people/teams worried about overwriting others or being overwritten.
Comment 9 Ian Skerrett CLA 2009-02-20 14:44:04 EST
(In reply to comment #8)
> the planet is a very important site for the foundation, the projects/committers
> and the community.  We get 1M+ hits a month.  We have enough trouble getting
> content out there without having people/teams worried about overwriting others
> or being overwritten.
> 

When I read the guidelines for PlanetEclipse it appears the intention is that blogs are from individuals, not companies.  Isn't the solution to have individual feeds, as Gunnar has suggested.  http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/PlanetEclipse#Guidelines
Comment 10 Jeff McAffer CLA 2009-02-21 17:57:13 EST
The guidelines do not say individuals only or no companies.  They talk about commercial interests and ads etc.  In effect they are saying "real Eclipse stuff from real people".  The EclipseSource and TaskTop (and other) feeds that happen to be "company blogs" fit every criteria on the list without even squinting or tilting your head. We at EclipseSource are very careful to only syndicate content that is appropriate for broader consumption on the planet. We blog about a lot of different things but only mark general Eclipse things to go to the Planet.

Note that the issues also hold for project blogs. e4 might end up with many people wanting to blogs on various project related topics. We want to encourage this as much as possible and ensure that as many people as possible see the content.  With >1M hits/month on the Planet it seems less than optimal to have those posts dropped.

As for individuals, while it may not be that common, we should encourage people who have lots to say to say it as much as possible and those who are not saying much, to say more. 

Finally, come EclipseCon time, one can easily imagine folks blogging multiple times a day.  

When it comes down to it, we either set the limit to 1, N or infinite. 1 effectively prevents rogue feeds from being an issue but crimps the community's blogging style. Infinite frees the flow but leaves the planet open to corruption.  N is the right choice IMHO but the number has to be discernibly different from 1. 3 is still too easy for active individuals and modest groups to hit. 10 or 15 is tangibly better.  Its unclear that it is much worse for the rogue feeds.

As a point of interest, how many feeds are problematic? and how often?  How many rogue posts would we get if the limit was raised?
Comment 11 Gunnar Wagenknecht CLA 2009-02-22 09:10:01 EST
I don't know the exact answer. But I know that I don't want to play with the settings on a busy site such as planet. We've been living fine with 'new_feed_items = 2' for years. We went down to 'new_feed_items = 1' two months ago. But we increased to 'new_feed_items = 3' now. So far the planet seems to run fine. Also note that there are other configuration settings which affect the total number of items displayed at any time and the freshness.

Just look at the source of the EclipseSource feeds. The channel <link> element is the same for each author. I'm not sure if this is the one to blame. But from looking at the file system I can confirm that the Planet software handles them as one *single* blog. If people think that this needs to be fixed please engage with the Planet community. We don't own the software, we just use it. We run un-patched versions only as is the case with other software that runs on Eclipse.org infrastructure.

The Planet Venus code base is located here:
http://intertwingly.net/code/venus/

I'm closing this as NOT_ECLIPSE for the reason state above. We also have free hosted blogs available at dev.eclipse.org for members. There are enough on stock so that every committer can get his own.