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The intent is to keep the appearance as simple as possible. To that end, I suggest that we show only package explorer and console.
(In reply to comment #0) > The intent is to keep the appearance as simple as possible. To that end, I > suggest that we show only package explorer and console. > Other items could use the space: References view https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=250659 Repository submission view https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=250659
*** Bug 250666 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
I totally agree with this. I found the Outline to be cluttering.
How about moving the outline to the same pane as the Project Explorer?
Created attachment 148126 [details] The java lite perspective with no outline view.
Created attachment 148127 [details] Moved Outline view to left pane behind the Project Explorer.
Do you think that the outline view provides any real value beyond what the package explorer already does?
Honestly, I rarely use the outline. But sometimes with larger projects I do find it useful, so having it can be useful. However this is supposed to be for beginners, how large can their programs be? What real use would it be over the package exlporer.
More to the point, the Package Explorer provides exactly the same information as the outline view for Java projects.
(In reply to comment #8) > Honestly, I rarely use the outline. But sometimes with larger projects I do > find it useful, so having it can be useful. However this is supposed to be for > beginners, how large can their programs be? What real use would it be over the > package exlporer. I find the Outline easier to navigate if I'm switching between many different Java text editors because the Outline will update to show the methods/fields of the active text editor. But as Peter mentioned this is probably only more useful if you are working on a larger project with larger classes which may not be the case for IDE4EDU users. That said, I support removing the Outline view.
I find the Outline more useful than the Project Explorer. My Project Explorer is usually always hidden, unless I need to open a new file and I don't know the name. However, I realize that the project explorer can give you everything the outline can, and in the interest of making the interface simple I agree with removing the outline. Personally I think we should utilize that space for a cheat-sheet/tutorial viewer.
I don't think the outline view should be there. As some people said, it's useless on small project. Moreover, I don't even use it on big project, I prefer using Ctrl-o, which is faster and don't require the mouse. Maybe, we could tell them the existence of Ctrl-o in the tutorials? (https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=290673)
I have applied the fix suggested by Nil. Essentially, I've removed the two lines from the perspective that add the outline view. Since we've not actually added any IP, I'm not marking the patch as iplog+. I believe that this is the right solution. I can imagine a first time user bringing the outline view to the top and not being able to figure out how to get back to the navigator view (this hypothetical first-time user might not even know that they want to go back to the navigator, they just want it to be the way it was). I think it's better if we avoid stacked views as much as possible. While I was at it... I changed the relative porportions of the views so that the navigator on the left side now only takes up 20% of the space rather than the original 40% (seemed a little large). I have marked Dennis' patch as obsolete given the direction that I've chosen. Marking as FIXED.
