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I'm just throwing this out there for the hell of it since we've been discussing feed guidelines lately. Well here's a thought. There's a concept of a "universe" which is basically a planet with very little restrictions. Our normal planet (planet.gentoo.org) would be limited strictly to committers / eclipse foundation people. The universe would cover everything else (including planet people). Thoughts? I'm just trying to come up with a solution here :)
I'm not sure if we need a new sub-domain for this. But I like the idea of having different planets. - one global - one committers + foundation only - one for non-personal blogs - etc.
Just to get an idea of what I mean, over in Gentoo we have a planet (committers only / Gentoo related only) http://planet.gentoo.org/ And a universe that includes everything else http://planet.gentoo.org/universe/
Sorry to be naive, but what is the problem that is trying to be solved? Are there too many posts comming in? Too many unrelated to Eclipse posts? Too confusing a divide between technical/non-technical posts?
It pisses me off that there is this continuing Eclipse elitism where we create spaces where only the committers / foundation member can do things. For an already existing example of this problem I specifically reference the Eclipsepedia. Rather than forming a community, we are creating an exclusionary system where only the ‘special’ people can participate in particular spaces.
Re comment 3: The problem that needs to be solved is to find a place for marketing, product support and other blogs that only aggregate things and are driven with commercial interests (i.e. trying to get attention to their sites and their products). Re comment 4: I think you should subscribe to bug 118245.
I usually don't reply to bugs after being fairly inebriated, but I'd like to echo Gunnar's point. I think a nice separation between the commercial interest and the 'community' would be fantastic. I mean, I think if I heard people pushing BEA or WebSphere tooling like it was the second coming of christ, I wouldn't read the planet anymore. Thoughts?
(In reply to comment #4) > It pisses me off that there is this continuing Eclipse elitism where we create > spaces where only the committers / foundation member can do things. For an > already existing example of this problem I specifically reference the > Eclipsepedia. Refux, as Gunnar said, we're working on connecting Eclipsepedia with Bugzilla for logins. Why? - we don't want our committers to have a bizillion usernames/passwords - we don't want you, a valuable community member, to have a bizillion usernames/passwords for each website we host - we want to protect the integrity of the content that is posted on our pages (by requiring users to authenticate before making changes) - we want to minimize the effort required by the community in maintaining these resources (look at all the vandalism and reverts done on Wikipedia) I've updated the Wiki Main page with a link to bug 118245. D.
Adding Refux to cc as some replies were posted. In response to Comment 6 +1 for a universe that could encompass one community-based planet (the existing PlanetEclipse) and a new Planet for commercial announcements. -1 one a committers/foundation only blog. As per comment 3, the existing Planet currently works well for those audiences (I think). D.
Ok, Denis wins. If everyone is ok with this, I can create the 'universe'
So, we will actually have three planets? planet.eclipse.org/planet planet.eclipse.org/commercial planet.eclipse.org/universe Actually, all thre can be served by one Planet installation. However, I'm wondering about the maintenance overhead. Do we have to insert feeds into both configurations (planet/commercial & universe)? Or should we generate the feed lists from a database?
what about the content of the different planets? will the content of 'universe' include the content from the other planets? on a sidenote: EZ reposted some other blog entries lately (eg. the CruiseControl post by Chris) and i might be a bit picky, but this makes it harder to read the planet from the website because really new items get pushed down (same applies to some really long posts (ALF announcement)).
(In reply to comment #11) > on a sidenote: EZ reposted some other blog entries lately See bug 126370.
I vote for two planets: planet.eclipse.org/planet planet.eclipse.org/universe (contains commercial stuff and everything else) It's easier to maintain :D Thoughts?
-1 for creating separete Planets. I just don't see what problem you are trying to solve. What example of a commercial related post are you referring to. I also agree with Refux that we shouldn't create a class system.
(In reply to comment #14) > What example of a commercial related post are you referring to. There are no posts currently. However, we have two pending requests for product marketing driven blogs, which don't seem to add value to the community but to the marketing of that product.
I agree that we don't want to include commercial blogs on Planet Eclipse. However, I don't believe we should restrict Planet Eclispe to committers and foundation staff. It should be open to anyone that is blogging about Eclipse. How about we start a Planet EclipseEco to aggregate the blogs that encompass the Eclispe ecosystem.
+1 to echo Ian's comment that the planet should cover the community blogging about Eclipse. I think it's incredibly important to show that the Eclipse community has a little life to it. The reason Eclipse is unique in regards to most open-source projects is that there is an incredible amount of members with financial interests. So the EclipseEco suggestion would cover product evangelists and company representatives? I'd actually encourage we get people blogging about their Eclipse 'solutions'
I think you guys are looking at commercial blogs from a wrong perspective. You can actually allow blogging of commercial products and even *ensure* that the eclipse community grows even more. Look at it this way- Instead of allowing *all* posts to be regarding a commercial product, we put a constraint that say, only 1 out 5 posts can talk about the commercial products. Now that leaves us with 4 non commercial posts. Now, if this were a normal planet eclipse blog, the blogger would just post whatever eclipse related news he feels like. BUT on the commercial blogs you can make a rule that say those 4 posts *have* to be on a certain theme. Like for example, the current blogs dont talk much technical stuff like plugin development. Now we could tell the commercial blogger that he has to put some sort of extremely short tutorial type posts which concentrate on a certain portion of the apis. This would probably be an area on top of which the commercial prodct is developed. So for example, a guy doing commercial blogging about BEA Workshop could talk about the technicals details of the Structured Source Editor (SSE), on top of which the BEA Workshop editor is built, in his 4 posts. Now, the SSE documentation totally sucks, but this way we automatically get great tutorial on how to use it in our plugins. The motivation for doing so would of course be the 1 post out of 5 where the blogger can talk about his company's commercial eclipse based offering. This way both the eclipse community and the commercial products gain.
I really, really like the ideas brought forth in comment 18. One and only one planet for easy administration and maintenance, but a clear guideline on commercial posts. Of course, we'd need to write posting guidelines.
Well, so has any kind of progress been made to implement the kind of system I proposed in comment 18 ? I would surely love to add my blog if this were to be.
I do *not* agree that the core planet (planet.eclipse.org/planet) blog should be limited to committers and foundation staff members. I do agree that it should be limited to non-commercial and relevant posts - so strong guidelines. If bloggers abuse the core planet feed, they get kicked off. The universe feed can contain anything Eclipse related - again within reason (of guidelines).
This bug started down a path of suggesting that there be some sort of segregation of Eclipse related BLOGS that are currently on PlanetEclipse. I would like to change the theme of this bug, but keep the summary the same - I would like to propose that we create another NEW planet, perhaps called a "universe", and that it contain an RSS feed for all things Eclipse that the foundation currently have RSS feeds for. Currently that list includes: http://planeteclipse.org/planet/rss20.xml http://www.eclipse.org/home/eclipsenews.rss http://www.eclipse.org/home/eclipseinthenews.rss http://www.eclipse.org/articles/articles.rss?filter=recent http://eclipseplugincentral.com/backend.php http://eclipseplugincentral.com/pluginfeed.php http://www.eclipse.org/projects/reviews-rss.php In other words, I would propose that planeteclipse.org/planet stay as is (it's GREAT), but that we create another planet that aggregates all the Foundation managed feeds. Thoughts? (and am I missing any feeds?) - Don
Great idea, Don. +1. Signal to noise on Planet Eclipse hasn't been bad lately.
+1 I also like the idea of having one feed of the Eclipe Universe. ;)
+1, I also like this idea... I'm cc'ng Denis as we will need his almighty powers to do this. This would also give us an opportunity to upgrade to planet 2.0 (http://www.planetplanet.org/) Denis, thoughts?
I think it is a great idea to have a Foundation Planet. I don't think it is a good idea to call it 'universe'. We really don't want people to think the Eclipse Foundation is the 'universe' of the Eclispe community. :-) Why don't we just call it 'Eclipse Foundation Blog' but use the planet software to aggregate the rss feeds. btw, I would also not include all of the rss feeds. Things like the eclipseinthe news might give this a high noise ratio.
Ok, multiple points: - Universe or not, I really am not worried about the name, just the concept - I hestitate to call it the "Foundation Blog", because it doesn't fit my definition of BLOG. It would also have project info, news, etc. - I do think that there needs to be a singular feed of all info and I do think a lot of people would subscribe to it. But I do agree that it may be too much for (perhaps) a majority. Is there not a technology out there that easily creates aggregates of feeds (on the server side, I know we could just ask people to subscribe to the N feeds they are interested in on the client). The goal here is to make it easy to subscribe to as much information as people want. - Don
I was +1 on Don's proposal until the noise issue. > - I do think that there needs to be a singular feed of all info and I do think > a lot of people would subscribe to it. But I do agree that it may be too much > for (perhaps) a majority. If a singular feed is too much info for the majority, then it's not what's needed. > Is there not a technology out there that easily creates aggregates of feeds Well, we could make several 'planets': - planeteclipse.org/universe: encompasses all the feeds for the minority who would like this; - planeteclipse.org/galaxy: same as above, without the eclipseinthenews feed, that provides the source of "noise" - planeteclipse.org/galaxylite: (how do you call a planet and its satellites???) galaxy feed minus the next major source of noise - planeteclipse.org/planet: as it is today, the Eclipse committer, hacker and contributor community Now you're stuck with the challenge of advertising which planet is best to subscribe to, instead of listing the various feeds as in comment 22 and inviting folks to subscribe to them. D.
(In reply to comment #28) > I was +1 on Don's proposal until the noise issue. > <snip/> Suggest creating the feed Don suggested and then if there's demand for the other feeds we can create them as demand warrants. (Source of idea: typical open-source rule: create one newsgroup first; split when necessary.)
Targeting for Q2. I propose to call this "Eclipse Galaxy". This will be the Über-aggregator for everything. The feed URL will be: http://planeteclipse.org/planet/galaxy.rss It will be offered in the regular Planet Eclipse viewer as a feed (like the EclipseCon feed) and will be bookmarkable using: http://planeteclipse.org/planet/#galaxy The charter would be as follows: Eclipse Galaxy is a window into Eclipse worlds, communities and ecosystems. Thoughts? PS: Better slogans are very much appreciated. ;)
yes, I like this idea, along with having a galaxy.eclipse.org shortcut ;)
We currently don't see a need for this. The menu bar will be hidden by default in our new theme (bug 229919). However, I'd love to see a patch from the community.
re-opening to actually reflect what happened recently
created http://planeteclipse.org/planet/universe/
