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1. Re: Data Structures Project Proposal (Tracy Miranda)
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 12:49:03 +0000
From: Tracy Miranda <tracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Science Industry Working Group <science-iwg@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [science-iwg] Data Structures Project Proposal
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Picking up the data structures thread again - did the steering committee
discuss this - what were the outcomes?
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 9:43 PM, Jay Jay Billings <jayjaybillings@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
> Torkild,
>
> With respect to the agenda, consider it done.
>
> Jay
> On Nov 6, 2015 4:40 PM, "Torkild Ulv?y Resheim" <torkildr@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>> From what I gather there is absolutely some mutual benefit gained from
>> working with the Collections project. If we were to place the SWG data
>> structures in this (project), I guess it would only be a matter of
>> organizational issues ? which I think can be easily resolved.
>>
>> I?d like to put this on the agenda for the next SWG steering committee
>> meeting.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Torkild
>>
>> > 6. nov. 2015 kl. 22.27 skrev Mike Milinkovich <
>> mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx>:
>> >
>> >
>> > To be clear, I didn't mean to imply any obligation to merge with
>> Collections. That is entirely up to you. However, I do know that the people
>> in that project are very interested in community collaboration, so I'm sure
>> that they would welcome any and all conversations about mutual interests.
>> >
>> > Mike Milinkovich
>> > mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> > +1.613.220.3223
>> > Original Message
>> > From: Torkild Ulv?y Resheim
>> > Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 4:21 PM
>> > To: Science Industry Working Group
>> > Reply To: Science Industry Working Group
>> > Subject: Re: [science-iwg] Data Structures Project Proposal
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I had to google ?Five Guys bag?, those images are a bit scary ;-)
>> >
>> > I think makes sense to put "data structures" together with
>> ?collections? ? from a user?s perspective we just need to make sure that
>> these APIs can work together in a good way.
>> >
>> > On the other side, do we want the SWG data structures API in the
>> Technology top level project? What implications would that have for a
>> potential top level science project?
>> >
>> > Back to helping my kids with Minecraft.
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> > Torkild
>> >
>> >> 6. nov. 2015 kl. 21.36 skrev Jay Jay Billings <
>> jayjaybillings@xxxxxxxxx>:
>> >>
>> >> Everyone,
>> >>
>> >> I'm glad to see this discussion is already happening. I have a Five
>> Guys bag in front of me, so I'll say more later. Here are two points:
>> >>
>> >> I would like to include ICE's org.eclipse.ice.datastructures as part
>> of this project too. No reason to keep them separate from the rest of our
>> data structures.
>> >>
>> >> We might consider contributing all of these to the project that Mike
>> mentioned instead of starting our own. Just a thought for now as I review
>> that project further.
>> >>
>> >> Back to my Five Guys,
>> >> Jay
>> >>
>> >> On Nov 6, 2015 9:36 AM, "Campbell, Stuart I." <campbellsi@xxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>> >> +1
>> >>
>> >> Dr Stuart Campbell
>> >> Data Analysis Team Lead
>> >> Neutron Data Analysis & Visualization Division
>> >> Oak Ridge National Laboratory
>> >> 1 Bethel Valley Road
>> >> Oak Ridge, TN 37831-6475, USA
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> From: science-iwg-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx <science-iwg-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> on behalf of Peter.Chang@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <Peter.Chang@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> Sent: 06 November 2015 8:58 AM
>> >> To: science-iwg@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> Subject: Re: [science-iwg] Data Structures Project Proposal
>> >>
>> >> Hi all,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I will throw ?January? into the ring (JAva NUmerical ARraY).
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >> Peter
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> From: science-iwg-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>> science-iwg-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ian Mayo
>> >> Sent: 06 November 2015 13:50
>> >> To: Science Industry Working Group
>> >> Subject: Re: [science-iwg] Data Structures Project Proposal
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Tracy - I agree, most domains have a concept of "data".
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I guess there is merit in using the "numerical" term - it seems to
>> have been effective for NumPy.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >> Ian
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 6 November 2015 at 13:43, <Peter.Chang@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi all,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I think we are open to any and all suggestions for the project name!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Peter
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> From: science-iwg-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>> science-iwg-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tracy Miranda
>> >> Sent: 06 November 2015 13:41
>> >> To: Science Industry Working Group
>> >>
>> >> Subject: Re: [science-iwg] Data Structures Project Proposal
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Yes, I think that nicely illustrates the problem with the word 'data'
>> - too overloaded.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 12:55 PM, <Matt.Gerring@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Thanks Mike,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I did have a quick look. My understanding is that Peter?s work is more
>> for nD numerical arrays than eclipse-collections appears to be. It seems to
>> be more a ?richer java collections?.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Best Regards,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Matt
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> From: science-iwg-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>> science-iwg-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Milinkovich
>> >> Sent: 06 November 2015 12:33
>> >> To: Tracy Miranda; Science Industry Working Group
>> >> Subject: Re: [science-iwg] Data Structures Project Proposal
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I could be completely off base here, but ?if you're interested in
>> scalable data structures, you may be interested in the recently posted
>> Eclipse Collections project.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ?http://projects.eclipse.org/proposals/eclipse-collections
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Mike Milinkovich
>> >> mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> +1.613.220.3223
>> >>
>> >> From: Tracy Miranda
>> >>
>> >> Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 1:29 PM
>> >>
>> >> To: Science Industry Working Group
>> >>
>> >> Reply To: Science Industry Working Group
>> >>
>> >> Subject: [science-iwg] Data Structures Project Proposal
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hi all,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> One of the many fruitful topics of discussion at EclipseCon was data
>> structures for the SWG, and I'd like to summarize the progress to date and
>> solicit some input from the group.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> First a brief history:
>> >>
>> >> Back in August in Trondheim, the SWG was in general agreement having a
>> set of standardised data structures would be the way forward for good tool
>> interoperability. Matt Gerring ran through pros & cons of different options
>> and proposed we adopt Diamond's IDataset.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Following on from that, Jonah Graham forked IDataset to make it more
>> accesible to SWG members.
>> >>
>> >> https://github.com/jonahkichwacoders/org.eclipse.dataset.examples
>> >>
>> >> https://github.com/jonahkichwacoders/org.eclipse.dataset
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Peter Chang then further cleaned up and restructured the classes
>> getting them into a very good state to be used by the community.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The logical next step was to make this available as a standalone
>> project as part of the Science Working Group. So this was brought up at the
>> unconference this week. What I learnt is that a project can have 2 project
>> co-leads. JayJay Billings recommended this (as is being done in
>> Triquetrium) and it has a lot of merit. That way if we have Jonah Graham &
>> Peter Chang as co-project leads we have a good split of responsibilities.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> SWG members at the unconference were very enthusiastic and many offers
>> of potential contributions as well.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Also, that old issue of naming cropped up, e.g. Tobias raised some
>> good points about how the naming is very generic, Idatasets represent
>> ndarrays but perhaps we should consider other data structures too (e.g.
>> what about dataframes...)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> In conclusion, we would like to go ahead and make this happen. Jay
>> Billings has offered to get the ball rolling in terms of giving Eclipse
>> Foundation the heads up. What we need now is your feedback, but mostly the
>> list of 'interested parties' to strengthen the project proposal.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >> Tracy
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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