| Re: [science-iwg] Project recommendations |
Werner
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Well it was: licensed under the EPL (since Bio7 1.6) and GPL (Bio7 1.5)
When I clicked on the link there was some page saying GPL or LGPL. Maybe
parts of the site still refer to 1.5?;-)
If Marcel is currently in Kiel, maybe I'll have a chat with him while I am
still in the area.
Werner
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> Werner,
>
> Bio7 is released under EPL:
>
> http://bio7.org/?page_id=37
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> Why do you think it is released under GPL?
>
> Jay
>
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 9:15 AM, UOMo <uomo@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Did you also bug Marcel about that license of Bio7?
> > GNU Library or Lesser General Public License version 2.0 (LGPLv2)
> > <http://sourceforge.net/directory/license:lgpl/>
> >
> > Java.net wrote about SCaVis earlier: http://jwork.org/scavis/overview
> > It looks very impressive. And while I can't say, how eager this "small
> > non-profit" would be to join a slightly larger one (Eclipse Foundation)
> the
> > remarks about a "business friendly version" of SCaVis under
> > http://jwork.org/scavis/index.php/license sound like that version could
> > also be EPL compatible.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Werner
> >
> > [image: --]
> > Werner Keil
> > [image: https://]about.me/wernerkeil
> > <https://about.me/wernerkeil?promo=email_sig>
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 3:04 PM, <science-iwg-request@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> >> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2015 12:56:27 +0000
> >> From: Ola Spjuth <Ola.Spjuth@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: Science Industry Working Group <science-iwg@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Subject: Re: [science-iwg] Project recommendations
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> >> Hi Philip,
> >>
> >> Yes, we at the Bioclipse project are very keen on this (sorry for being
> >> silent lately). There are many things going on in our organization and
> we
> >> have amongst others started sketching on a rewrite towards Bioclipse 3.
> >> However there have been some setbacks with some personnel leaving and
> new
> >> recruitment, hopefully it will settle soon. As our core dependency is
> the
> >> mentioned CDK, it is crucial for us that this is also resolved.
> >>
> >> Kind regards,
> >>
> >> Ola
> >>
> >> On 8 apr 2015, at 12:25, Jay Jay Billings <jayjaybillings@xxxxxxxxx
> >> <mailto:jayjaybillings@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> As far as Bio7 goes, we bugged Marcel to death about it at EclipseCon!
> >>
> >> Marcel, I think you are most likely reading this, so just know that I'm
> >> going to bug you about it more as soon as my classes are over. :-P
> >>
> >> Jay
> >>
> >> On Apr 8, 2015 4:29 AM, "Philip Wenig" <philip.wenig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> <mailto:philip.wenig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> >> Hi folks,
> >>
> >> I'd really like to see the following projects becoming official Eclipse
> >> projects under the Science umbrella:
> >>
> >> Bioclipse
> >> http://www.bioclipse.net<http://www.bioclipse.net/>
> >>
> >> The Chemistry Development Kit
> >> http://sourceforge.net/projects/cdk
> >>
> >> Bio7
> >> http://bio7.org<http://bio7.org/>
> >>
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Philip
> >>
> >> --
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> Dr. Philip Wenig
> >>
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> >>
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> Ola,
>
> Could you refresh my memory about the CDK issue?
>
> It would be great to see if the SWG can help resolve this and help you make
> the jump.
>
> Jay
>
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Ola Spjuth <Ola.Spjuth@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Philip,
> >
> > Yes, we at the Bioclipse project are very keen on this (sorry for being
> > silent lately). There are many things going on in our organization and we
> > have amongst others started sketching on a rewrite towards Bioclipse 3.
> > However there have been some setbacks with some personnel leaving and new
> > recruitment, hopefully it will settle soon. As our core dependency is the
> > mentioned CDK, it is crucial for us that this is also resolved.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > Ola
> >
> > On 8 apr 2015, at 12:25, Jay Jay Billings <jayjaybillings@xxxxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
> >
> > As far as Bio7 goes, we bugged Marcel to death about it at EclipseCon!
> >
> > Marcel, I think you are most likely reading this, so just know that I'm
> > going to bug you about it more as soon as my classes are over. :-P
> >
> > Jay
> > On Apr 8, 2015 4:29 AM, "Philip Wenig" <philip.wenig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi folks,
> >>
> >> I'd really like to see the following projects becoming official Eclipse
> >> projects under the Science umbrella:
> >>
> >> Bioclipse
> >> http://www.bioclipse.net
> >>
> >> The Chemistry Development Kit
> >> http://sourceforge.net/projects/cdk
> >>
> >> Bio7
> >> http://bio7.org
> >>
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Philip
> >>
> >> --
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> Dr. Philip Wenig
> >>
> >> http://www.openchrom.net
> >>
> >> https://www.xing.com/profile/Philip_Wenig
> >> http://de.linkedin.com/pub/philip-wenig/2a/4a8/877
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2015 11:32:12 -0400
> From: Ian Skerrett <ian.skerrett@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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> FWIW, I know in Europe the Eclipse Foundation is applying for gov't
> funding to help fund open source community outreach for IoT. If the US
> Gov't is looking to fund open source development in Science is there a
> possibility for the Eclipse Foundation to participate in this funding
> process?
>
> Ian
>
>
> On 08/04/2015 10:06 AM, Jay Jay Billings wrote:
> > Ian,
> >
> > I think that would be extremely helpful.
> >
> > We haven't scheduled our next meeting yet, but we are trying to start
> > monthly steering committee calls, which I think are most dependent on
> > Andrew's schedule.
> >
> > I imagine that there will be a significant group of SWG members at
> > each EclipseCon NA, FR and Europe from here on out. We had a pretty
> > good group at EclipseCon NA a few weeks back and we all met on
> > Thursday night over dinner after a whole day of our talks.
> >
> > I think we need to plan to have meetings and mini-conferences separate
> > from EclipseCon too because most scientists simply won't attend
> > EclipseCon. Andrew, Greg and I are planning a BOF at Supercomputing
> > this year, which normally has 10000 people in attendance.
> >
> > My personal preference is that we actually establish fully virtual
> > business meetings separate from the conferences.
> >
> > Jay
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 9:04 AM, Ian Skerrett <ian.skerrett@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:ian.skerrett@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> >
> > FWIW, I would be happy to discuss with the Science WG on how we
> > can raise the profile of the technology. I think what you guys are
> > doing is very cool. When is your next meeting?
> >
> > Ian
> >
> >
> >
> > On 08/04/2015 8:24 AM, Greg Watson wrote:
> >> +1
> >>
> >> If we want to build an ecosystem then a top level project is
> >> essential. Why? So that, as Philip points out, we can espouse the
> >> benefits of joining. Currently we?re asking people to pay money
> >> to join the science iwg, but what do they get in return. Also,
> >> there are some upcoming opportunities to source funding from the
> >> US government, but unless we can demonstrate significant value
> >> add it will be very hard to convince them it is a good idea.
> >> Finally, I think this would raise the profile of science within
> >> the foundation, and help us demonstrate that the technology
> >> behind scientific computing can be just as important as other
> >> technologies like iot or locationtech.
> >>
> >> Greg
> >>
> >>> On Apr 8, 2015, at 4:28 AM, Philip Wenig
> >>> <philip.wenig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> <mailto:philip.wenig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Mike, hi Jay,
> >>>
> >>> yep, it would be great if more projects/companies/institutions
> >>> would join. Anyhow, we're on a good a way so I think. But an
> >>> experience I made when talking to people/projects is that it's
> >>> not easy to describe the benefits of joining the Science WG in
> >>> short words ... even though we are aware of its benefits. We
> >>> possibly should discuss this point to find a better way of
> >>> advertising our strength.
> >>>
> >>> In a separate mail I will propose three projects I'd really like
> >>> to see joining our working group. Maybe others could also make
> >>> recommendations :-).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>> Philip
> >>>
> >>> Am 07.04.2015 um 22:07 schrieb Jay Jay Billings:
> >>>> Mike,
> >>>>
> >>>> That's a very valuable $0.02. Thanks!
> >>>>
> >>>> I think you are right and that the number of released projects
> >>>> is a better criteria. (And we're not in a hurry.) We definitely
> >>>> need more experience with the whole process.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm going to type a couple of related thoughts that came to
> >>>> mind when I read your response, just to get them out there for
> >>>> everyone, while I have a few more minutes.
> >>>>
> >>>> We discussed the maturity of our projects a bit during the
> >>>> committee meeting. One of the interesting things about our
> >>>> projects in Science (ICE, DAWNSci, Chemclipse) is that even
> >>>> though they are currently incubating they are pretty large,
> >>>> established and mature from our pre-Eclipse days. The trip
> >>>> through incubation for these projects is more about compliance
> >>>> with IP and PMC needs than development of code, although that
> >>>> is still happening. I think it is safe to say that we what we
> >>>> are really incubating with this three projects is the neither
> >>>> the technology nor the governance, but the IP trail and
> >>>> membership in the project community, or at least it seems so to
> >>>> me. It looks like the same may be true for some possible future
> >>>> projects as well, although the viz project would be close to a
> >>>> completely new effort.
> >>>>
> >>>> Another thing we discussed is that science projects typically
> >>>> have strong relationships with the government of the country
> >>>> where they were written. This presents a whole different set of
> >>>> issues than, say, pure technology projects. Help with dealing
> >>>> with these issues could be one really great benefit of a
> >>>> Science PMC.
> >>>>
> >>>> Jay
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 3:35 PM, Mike Milinkovich
> >>>> <mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> <mailto:mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On 07/04/2015 3:25 PM, Jay Jay Billings wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> We decided that probably the best time to propose the
> >>>> top level project is when we have four or five active
> >>>> projects, so we are not quite there yet. We expect that
> >>>> we won't be far off by the end of Q2 2015. There are
> >>>> many other issues than simply "project count" related
> >>>> to this though and those are the things that we should
> >>>> start discussing.
> >>>>
> >>>> So, any thoughts?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> FWIW, I would recommend thinking about a different
> >>>> criteria. Namely, that you think about project maturity
> >>>> rather than the sheer number of projects. In our
> >>>> experience, starting a PMC where none of the participants
> >>>> have gone through the full project release process does not
> >>>> work all that well. So instead of "four or five active
> >>>> projects", maybe think about "two or three mature projects".
> >>>>
> >>>> Just my $0.02 worth...
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Mike Milinkovich
> >>>> mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> <mailto:mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> +1.613.220.3223 <tel:%2B1.613.220.3223> (mobile)
> >>>>
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> >>>> --
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> >>>> Oak Ridge National Laboratory
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> >>>
> >>> http://www.openchrom.net <http://www.openchrom.net/>
> >>>
> >>> https://www.xing.com/profile/Philip_Wenig
> >>> http://de.linkedin.com/pub/philip-wenig/2a/4a8/877
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