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Werner
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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2015 10:09:25 -0400
From: Jay Jay Billings <jayjaybillings@xxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: Re: [science-iwg] Project recommendations
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Werner,
Bio7 is released under EPL:
http://bio7.org/?page_id=37
Why do you think it is released under GPL?
Jay
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 9:15 AM, UOMo <uomo@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Did you also bug Marcel about that license of Bio7?
> GNU Library or Lesser General Public License version 2.0 (LGPLv2)
> <http://sourceforge.net/directory/license:lgpl/>
>
> Java.net wrote about SCaVis earlier: http://jwork.org/scavis/overview
> It looks very impressive. And while I can't say, how eager this "small
> non-profit" would be to join a slightly larger one (Eclipse Foundation) the
> remarks about a "business friendly version" of SCaVis under
> http://jwork.org/scavis/index.php/license sound like that version could
> also be EPL compatible.
>
> Regards,
>
> Werner
>
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> Werner Keil
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>> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2015 12:56:27 +0000
>> From: Ola Spjuth <Ola.Spjuth@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: Science Industry Working Group <science-iwg@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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>> Hi Philip,
>>
>> Yes, we at the Bioclipse project are very keen on this (sorry for being
>> silent lately). There are many things going on in our organization and we
>> have amongst others started sketching on a rewrite towards Bioclipse 3.
>> However there have been some setbacks with some personnel leaving and new
>> recruitment, hopefully it will settle soon. As our core dependency is the
>> mentioned CDK, it is crucial for us that this is also resolved.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Ola
>>
>> On 8 apr 2015, at 12:25, Jay Jay Billings <jayjaybillings@xxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:jayjaybillings@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> As far as Bio7 goes, we bugged Marcel to death about it at EclipseCon!
>>
>> Marcel, I think you are most likely reading this, so just know that I'm
>> going to bug you about it more as soon as my classes are over. :-P
>>
>> Jay
>>
>> On Apr 8, 2015 4:29 AM, "Philip Wenig" <philip.wenig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:philip.wenig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> I'd really like to see the following projects becoming official Eclipse
>> projects under the Science umbrella:
>>
>> Bioclipse
>> http://www.bioclipse.net<http://www.bioclipse.net/>
>>
>> The Chemistry Development Kit
>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/cdk
>>
>> Bio7
>> http://bio7.org<http://bio7.org/>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Philip
>>
>> --
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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2015 10:10:36 -0400
From: Jay Jay Billings <jayjaybillings@xxxxxxxxx>
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Ola,
Could you refresh my memory about the CDK issue?
It would be great to see if the SWG can help resolve this and help you make
the jump.
Jay
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Ola Spjuth <Ola.Spjuth@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Philip,
>
> Yes, we at the Bioclipse project are very keen on this (sorry for being
> silent lately). There are many things going on in our organization and we
> have amongst others started sketching on a rewrite towards Bioclipse 3.
> However there have been some setbacks with some personnel leaving and new
> recruitment, hopefully it will settle soon. As our core dependency is the
> mentioned CDK, it is crucial for us that this is also resolved.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Ola
>
> On 8 apr 2015, at 12:25, Jay Jay Billings <jayjaybillings@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> As far as Bio7 goes, we bugged Marcel to death about it at EclipseCon!
>
> Marcel, I think you are most likely reading this, so just know that I'm
> going to bug you about it more as soon as my classes are over. :-P
>
> Jay
> On Apr 8, 2015 4:29 AM, "Philip Wenig" <philip.wenig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> I'd really like to see the following projects becoming official Eclipse
>> projects under the Science umbrella:
>>
>> Bioclipse
>> http://www.bioclipse.net
>>
>> The Chemistry Development Kit
>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/cdk
>>
>> Bio7
>> http://bio7.org
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Philip
>>
>> --
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Dr. Philip Wenig
>>
>> http://www.openchrom.net
>>
>> https://www.xing.com/profile/Philip_Wenig
>> http://de.linkedin.com/pub/philip-wenig/2a/4a8/877
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Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2015 11:32:12 -0400
From: Ian Skerrett <ian.skerrett@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: Re: [science-iwg] Science Top Level Project
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FWIW, I know in Europe the Eclipse Foundation is applying for gov't
funding to help fund open source community outreach for IoT. If the US
Gov't is looking to fund open source development in Science is there a
possibility for the Eclipse Foundation to participate in this funding
process?
Ian
On 08/04/2015 10:06 AM, Jay Jay Billings wrote:
> Ian,
>
> I think that would be extremely helpful.
>
> We haven't scheduled our next meeting yet, but we are trying to start
> monthly steering committee calls, which I think are most dependent on
> Andrew's schedule.
>
> I imagine that there will be a significant group of SWG members at
> each EclipseCon NA, FR and Europe from here on out. We had a pretty
> good group at EclipseCon NA a few weeks back and we all met on
> Thursday night over dinner after a whole day of our talks.
>
> I think we need to plan to have meetings and mini-conferences separate
> from EclipseCon too because most scientists simply won't attend
> EclipseCon. Andrew, Greg and I are planning a BOF at Supercomputing
> this year, which normally has 10000 people in attendance.
>
> My personal preference is that we actually establish fully virtual
> business meetings separate from the conferences.
>
> Jay
>
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 9:04 AM, Ian Skerrett <ian.skerrett@xxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:ian.skerrett@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>
> FWIW, I would be happy to discuss with the Science WG on how we
> can raise the profile of the technology. I think what you guys are
> doing is very cool. When is your next meeting?
>
> Ian
>
>
>
> On 08/04/2015 8:24 AM, Greg Watson wrote:
>> +1
>>
>> If we want to build an ecosystem then a top level project is
>> essential. Why? So that, as Philip points out, we can espouse the
>> benefits of joining. Currently we?re asking people to pay money
>> to join the science iwg, but what do they get in return. Also,
>> there are some upcoming opportunities to source funding from the
>> US government, but unless we can demonstrate significant value
>> add it will be very hard to convince them it is a good idea.
>> Finally, I think this would raise the profile of science within
>> the foundation, and help us demonstrate that the technology
>> behind scientific computing can be just as important as other
>> technologies like iot or locationtech.
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>> On Apr 8, 2015, at 4:28 AM, Philip Wenig
>>> <philip.wenig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> <mailto:philip.wenig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Mike, hi Jay,
>>>
>>> yep, it would be great if more projects/companies/institutions
>>> would join. Anyhow, we're on a good a way so I think. But an
>>> experience I made when talking to people/projects is that it's
>>> not easy to describe the benefits of joining the Science WG in
>>> short words ... even though we are aware of its benefits. We
>>> possibly should discuss this point to find a better way of
>>> advertising our strength.
>>>
>>> In a separate mail I will propose three projects I'd really like
>>> to see joining our working group. Maybe others could also make
>>> recommendations :-).
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Philip
>>>
>>> Am 07.04.2015 um 22:07 schrieb Jay Jay Billings:
>>>> Mike,
>>>>
>>>> That's a very valuable $0.02. Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> I think you are right and that the number of released projects
>>>> is a better criteria. (And we're not in a hurry.) We definitely
>>>> need more experience with the whole process.
>>>>
>>>> I'm going to type a couple of related thoughts that came to
>>>> mind when I read your response, just to get them out there for
>>>> everyone, while I have a few more minutes.
>>>>
>>>> We discussed the maturity of our projects a bit during the
>>>> committee meeting. One of the interesting things about our
>>>> projects in Science (ICE, DAWNSci, Chemclipse) is that even
>>>> though they are currently incubating they are pretty large,
>>>> established and mature from our pre-Eclipse days. The trip
>>>> through incubation for these projects is more about compliance
>>>> with IP and PMC needs than development of code, although that
>>>> is still happening. I think it is safe to say that we what we
>>>> are really incubating with this three projects is the neither
>>>> the technology nor the governance, but the IP trail and
>>>> membership in the project community, or at least it seems so to
>>>> me. It looks like the same may be true for some possible future
>>>> projects as well, although the viz project would be close to a
>>>> completely new effort.
>>>>
>>>> Another thing we discussed is that science projects typically
>>>> have strong relationships with the government of the country
>>>> where they were written. This presents a whole different set of
>>>> issues than, say, pure technology projects. Help with dealing
>>>> with these issues could be one really great benefit of a
>>>> Science PMC.
>>>>
>>>> Jay
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 3:35 PM, Mike Milinkovich
>>>> <mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> <mailto:mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 07/04/2015 3:25 PM, Jay Jay Billings wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We decided that probably the best time to propose the
>>>> top level project is when we have four or five active
>>>> projects, so we are not quite there yet. We expect that
>>>> we won't be far off by the end of Q2 2015. There are
>>>> many other issues than simply "project count" related
>>>> to this though and those are the things that we should
>>>> start discussing.
>>>>
>>>> So, any thoughts?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> FWIW, I would recommend thinking about a different
>>>> criteria. Namely, that you think about project maturity
>>>> rather than the sheer number of projects. In our
>>>> experience, starting a PMC where none of the participants
>>>> have gone through the full project release process does not
>>>> work all that well. So instead of "four or five active
>>>> projects", maybe think about "two or three mature projects".
>>>>
>>>> Just my $0.02 worth...
>>>>
>>>> --
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