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Re: [rt-pmc] Jetty 10 Release Review
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On 2020-02-27 12:46 p.m., Thomas Watson
wrote:
Sorry I was not clear.
Is the Jetty project allowed to say publicly, in
documentation, release review etc:
Jetty 10 supports Jakarta Servlet 4.0.
The Jakarta Servlet 4.0 is included in Jakarta EE 8.
Personally, I think the statement above would be fine if Jetty 10
fully passes the Jakarta Servlet 4.0 TCK. The second sentence is,
as far as I know, simply a factual statement.
Or is Jetty not
allowed to make any reference back to Jakarta EE 8 in such a
manor. For this particular discussion the Eclipse PMC had
confusion about the Jetty 10 release. We were looking to
update to it, but were worried that Jetty 10 may be the
release of Jetty that changes the javax.servlet package to the
jakarta package namespace. That change will take the Eclipse
project much more effort to adopt. The release record could
make it more clear that Jakarta Servlet 4.0 is part of the
broader Jakarta EE 8 platform. I think that would have been
more clear to the Eclipse PMC from the start.
Tom
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Date: Thu, Feb 27, 2020 10:46 AM
On 2020-02-27 11:16 a.m., Thomas Watson wrote:
OK, so it sounds like there can be no
clarification on the Jakarta version which the Servlet
version Jetty supports is included in? That sounds
horrible.
My apologies. I have read your first sentence three times
and I cannot parse what you're saying. Could you please try
rephrasing?
The release review record already says that Jetty 10.0 will
provide "Jakarta Servlet 4.0 Support". I am not sure what
more or else you are expecting?
Tom
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Date: Thu, Feb 27, 2020 9:59 AM
Joakim,
The Eclipse Foundation agrees with your assessment.
You should only make compatibility claims based on
passing the relevant TCKs. It is clear that Jetty is
not a fully compliant Jakarta EE Full or Web Profile
implementation. I would certainly hope that you would
consider working towards passing the Servlet TCK.
On 2020-02-27 10:40 a.m., Joakim Erdfelt wrote:
We have to be careful about what Eclipse Jetty
is compliant with.
Example, Eclipse Jetty cannot legally say "Eclipse
Jetty supports Jakarta EE 8", as it is not using 95%
of the required EE components.
Eclipse Jetty is also not a Jakarta
EE compliant implementation.
Eclipse Jetty is using a subset of Jakarta EE.
It's more appropriate to say something along
the lines of being Jakarta Servlet 4.0 compliant,
but that also requires a validation before Eclipse
Jetty is allowed to say that.
I doubt Eclipse Jetty is even allowed to say
that it is a "Jakarta Web Profile" implementation,
as it also doesn't ship with the various required
components.
Thanks
+1 from me, but I still recommend
updating the release record to state the
Jakarta EE platform version supported.
Tom
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Release Review
Date: Thu, Feb 27, 2020 8:49 AM
Right, Jetty 11 is likely to
follow on the heels quickly with the renamed
package support and remain feature
equivalent with Jetty 10.
Jesse
Question about the
release. It says "Jakarta Servlet 4.0
Support". I assume this is the
Servlet version from Jakarta EE 8 and
we still look forward to a Jetty
release that supports the future
Jakarta EE 9 package name changes for
javax.servlet. But as of now, the
Jetty 10 release still supports the
javax.servlet packages.
Correct? If so I would
simply update the release record to
indicate the Jakarta EE version that
you support. It may make it more
clear, at least to me.
Tom
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Date: Thu, Feb 20, 2020 12:58 PM
We are requesting approval for
the review material for the
forthcoming Jetty 10.0 release.
cheers,
Jesse
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