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RE: [tools-pmc] RE: [pdt-dev] Deskzilla license key for the PDT

Yes, I agree. The key part is actually “…allow its broad use for this and other Eclipse projects …”. That is actually part of the policy currently under development. The reason is that we want a level playing field for both committers and contributors across all Eclipse projects.


Here are the key parts of the policy under consideration. Note that this has not yet been approved by the board. We’re hoping that will happen in the 3rd week of the May.


o   Yes, projects can use proprietary tools for non-core infrastructure made available free of charge by the vendor

o   Vendors would have to agree to provide licenses for any committer + individuals identified by name by a project leader for use on the project.

o   The vendor has no obligation to provide support, but may choose to do so at their discretion. (There may be good business reasons to want to get feedback from the Eclipse team, and to ensure that they are happy users.)

o   Vendors are not obligated to provide any software. This is at their discretion.

o   The licenses would be for a specific version of the vendor’s software and would be perpetual. Upgrades would be at the discretion of the vendor.


I’m curious what the Deskvilla’s reaction is to this policy?


From: Andi Gutmans [mailto:andi@xxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 6:26 PM
To: John Duimovich; mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx; Tools PMC mailing list
Cc: Doug Schaefer; PDT Developers
Subject: RE: [tools-pmc] RE: [pdt-dev] Deskzilla license key for the PDT


Yes this is correct. I agree that as this is not a required tool but optional there should really be no reason not to allow its broad use for this and other Eclipse projects.

It's a productivity enhancer the same way using a visual CVS client allows some developers to be more productive.



From: John Duimovich [mailto:John_Duimovich@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 3:37 PM
To: mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx; Tools PMC mailing list
Cc: Andi Gutmans; 'Doug Schaefer'; 'PDT Developers'
Subject: RE: [tools-pmc] RE: [pdt-dev] Deskzilla license key for the PDT

From what I understand, no one is required to use Deskzilla for PDT. It's an optional  client for interacting with the existing  Eclipse bugzilla (tied to PDT) so in this case, no new "shared" infrastructure is needed, Deskzilla is just a new client for the Eclipse bugzilla system.

I think the "acid test"  that makes this one ok, is that if the Deskzilla license went away tommorow, regular web based bugzilla would still be fine and the project could continue without Deskzilla.

Andi - could you please confirm or correct my interpretation of the use of Deskzilla for PDT ?

Mike - does this make it acceptable or do we need to wait for EMO/Board policy to be confirmed  ?


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RE: [tools-pmc] RE: [pdt-dev] Deskzilla license key for the PDT


Yes. Exactly :-)

Like I said, we (the EMO and Board) are working on a policy to clarify this.

The line is somewhat fuzzy, but where it is currently drawn is along the
lines of tools which are used in the *shared* development process which are
not broadly or generally available. Scarce availability to those tools could
create an impediment to the involvement of contributors and/or new
committers in a project. So Windows XP, Outlook and Internet Explorer are
not issues. One could easily assert that they are either (a) massively
available to most professional developers and/or (b) easily replaced with
open source equivalents (Linux, Firefox, Thunderbird). In any case, the
those particular tools are not directly involved in the software production
chain or process. The tools are more problematic are things like proprietary
testing frameworks, issue tracking/management, code generation tools, build
managers and the like. In scenarios where the team uses proprietary tools of
those types in the production and release processes

I would encourage everyone with an opinion on this topics to make it known
to the committer board reps so that your viewpoints can be duly represented
in the board discussions.

Mike Milinkovich
Office: +1.613.224.9461 x228
Mobile: +1.613.220.3223

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doug Schaefer [mailto:DSchaefer@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 3:49 PM
> To: mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx; Tools PMC mailing list; 'PDT
> Developers'
> Cc: 'Andi Gutmans'
> Subject: RE: [tools-pmc] RE: [pdt-dev] Deskzilla license key for the
> Hi Mike could you explain more.
> I "use" Windows XP when running Eclipse to do CDT development. I use
> Microsoft's Internet Explorer to look at bugzillas. I use Outlook to
> read
> and send mails to the CDT mailing list. There are many occurrences of
> Eclipse developers using commercially-licensed products in conjunction
> with
> work on Eclipse projects. Could you explain the exact policy and where
> the
> line is drawn?
> Thanks,
> Doug Schaefer, QNX Software Systems
> Eclipse CDT Project Lead, http://cdtdoug.blogspot.com
> ________________________________________
> From: tools-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tools-pmc-
> bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Mike Milinkovich
> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 3:31 PM
> To: 'PDT Developers'
> Cc: tools-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx; 'Andi Gutmans'
> Subject: [tools-pmc] RE: [pdt-dev] Deskzilla license key for the PDT
> I hate to be a party pooper, but the use of commercially-licensed
> products
> (even "free" ones) is currently not allowed within projects at the
> Eclipse
> Foundation. The EMO and the Board is working on a policy statement on
> this
> which might change that position. But that is the current status quo.
> I would also like to point out that for those interested in tighter
> Eclipse
> IDE integration with Bugzilla that if you have not yet tried Mylar, you
> really should.
> Mike Milinkovich
> Executive Director
> Eclipse Foundation, Inc.
> Office: +1.613.224.9461 x228
> Mobile: +1.613.220.3223
> mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx
> blog: http://milinkovich.blogspot.com
> From: pdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pdt-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> On
> Behalf Of Shalom Gibly
> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 7:42 AM
> To: pdt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [pdt-dev] Deskzilla license key for the PDT
> Hi all,
> Attach please find a license key for anyone that is using Deskzilla
> with the
> PDT project.
> Shalom Gibly
> Zend
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Igor Sereda [mailto:sereda@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 3:57 PM
> To: Shalom Gibly
> Subject: RE: License request
> Hi Shalom,
> Sorry for delayed reply. If I understand correctly, PHP IDE project is
> using
> Eclipse Bugzilla, right? I am attaching a public license of new format
> for
> all Eclipse projects. This license requires Deskzilla 1.3, released
> recently.
> Feel free to share the license key with anyone interested or post it on
> the
> web. The license allows any number of users, and it is locked to URL of
> Eclipse Bugzilla. If in the future an URL changes, please let me know
> and
> I'll create another license key.
> Thanks for using Deskzilla!
> Best regards,
> Igor

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