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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Neon.3 Update Problems

Regarding the Linux Tools issue.  This was due to the Oxygen M4 orbit repo referenced
as part of a patch that upgraded the level of docker-client.

I will cut a 5.3.1 release of Linux Tools today using the Orbit M6 repo.  Can this be
aggregated or used to patch the issue?

-- Jeff J.

----- Original Message -----
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm concerned about the number of problems I see regarding updates to Neon.3.
> For example, the missing MPC problem:
> 
> https://www.eclipse.org/forums/index.php/mv/msg/1085206/1758538/#msg_1758538
> 
> It looks just like the problem we've been having with Oxygen M5/M6. That
> problem I believe traces back to a broken version of httpclient that worked
> its way into Oxygen M5:
> 
> 
> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=511333
> 
> 
> Rather than immediately fixing the problem and fixing M5, the problem was
> allowed to propagate; weird and bizarre things were done to modify
> downstream code to explicitly exclude the broken version:
> 
> 
> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=511406
> 
> Of course such upper bound constraints also explicitly exclude the new fixed
> version when it came along, so now it seems M6 is also broken, because of
> wiring issues:
> 
> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=513809
> 
> I think the wiring issues arose to a large extent because of the things done
> during M5. In my opinion what should have happened in M5 is that the Orbit
> bundle was immediately fixed (or reverted to the older version) and M5 was
> respun to ensure that no broken version of httpclient ever propagated
> further into the echo system. The last thing I would ever have expected (and
> I personally would have refused to do) is for downstream clients to make
> changes to explicitly exclude a broken version. Please let's never do that
> again. And please let's never behave as if the Eclipse Platform project's
> build can't be respun to fix problem. Surely we can't have a policy in place
> where no matter the state of the platform's build, it must remain as is,
> broken Orbit bundles and all.
> 
> 
> But what seems even worse, though I don't fully understand the problem, is
> how this broken orbit bundle id='org.apache.httpcomponents.httpclient'
> version='4.5.2.v20161115-1643' got into the Neon release train repository.
> Given all the problems it caused in Oxygen M5 surely we should have avoided
> that at all costs. I suspect it came from this repository:
> 
> 
> http://download.eclipse.org/linuxtools/update-neon-docker
> 
> I say that because that repo contains the broken version of httpclient and
> the versions of the docker IUs in that repo are the same as the versions in
> the neon release train, so it seems to me the bundles from this repo were
> aggregated into Neon.
> 
> So now the problems we have in Oxygen M5 and M6 are also problems for the
> users of Neon.3. That makes me very sad. Users expect update releases to be
> stable. Surely we're doing something very wrong to get into a state where a
> bundle known to be problematic nevertheless works its way into the final
> stable update of the Neon...
> 
> I don't know if the EGit update problems are at all related:
> 
> https://www.eclipse.org/forums/index.php/mv/msg/1085206/1758538/#msg_1758538
> 
> It definitely looks like a different problem, but
> org.slf4j.api_1.7.10.v20160921-1923 also comes from the update-neon-docker
> update site. And that's not a version that's in
> http://download.eclipse.org/tools/orbit/downloads/latest-R , i.e., it
> appears not to be a released version. So again, one has to wonder how this
> worked its way into Neon.3 causing update problems for Neon.3...
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Ed
> 
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