RE: [ui-best-practices-working-group] EclipseCon panel

["Mik Kersten" <beatmik@xxxxxxx>]

Given recent dialog, I'm pretty sure that we have learned how to be
controversial :)  All we need is someone to argue that UI Best Practices
should be policed and that violators have their mouse hand chopped off.

Kidding aside, I think this means that we would need to invite someone with
a good incentive for the project UIs to have their consistency and quality
enforced.  I nominate Mike M. and or Bjorn.  I may even be willing to take
their side of the argument now and then ;)

It sounds like we could have a good topic for a panel, because there is
enough controversy, and there is good reason to raise awareness of the
guidelines for attendees, who may not be aware of this very valuable
resource and efforts around it.  How about this for a panel structure?

* Platform UI representative(s): Kevin, others (?)
* IBM and visual design representative: Kimberley (?)
* Developer trying to follow in their footsteps and encountering problems
along the way: Mik
* Manager being unreasonable in expecting UI consistency from projects: Mike
and/or Bjorn (?)
* Vendor trying to figure out whether they should care about any of this:
(?)
* others?

Bob: are you interested in leading the panel again?

Mik

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ui-best-practices-working-group-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ui-
> best-practices-working-group-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gaff,
> Doug
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:06 AM
> To: User Interface Architecture Working Group
> Subject: RE: [ui-best-practices-working-group] EclipseCon panel
> 
> Speaking as the Program Chair, I suggest that you make this somewhat
> controversial to keep it interesting.  Several of the panels last year
> were boring because everyone was saying the same thing.  (I missed your
> panel, so I'm not specifically talking about yours.)
> 
> UI's are controversial by definition because users have different
> definitions of usability based on their domain expertise.  We get a lot
> of customer feedback on Eclipse along the lines of "it's too big and
> too
> complicated for what I need to do."  It would be great to incorporate
> that in a UI panel.
> 
> Doug Gaff
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ui-best-practices-working-group-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ui-
> > best-practices-working-group-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kevin
> > McGuire
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:15 AM
> > To: User Interface Architecture Working Group
> > Subject: Re: [ui-best-practices-working-group] EclipseCon panel
> >
> > I was thinking about this too.  It'd be cool to do it again, we had a
> > good turnout and it in general its probably good to take all
> > opportunities to get people thinking about UI stuff.  It might be
> good
> > though to have a few less people.
> >
> > The big question to me though is, to what aim?  What will be the
> > purpose?  It may be better if we had a stronger theme, or even set up
> > some more contentious points to have a good panel discussion of
> > opposing
> > views.
> >
> > So before I say yes I'd like us to get an idea of the theme.
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> > Mik Kersten wrote:
> > > Is there interest in doing a panel like last year's?
> > >
> > > +1 from me.
> > >
> > > Mik
> > >
> > > --
> > > Mik Kersten
> > > Project Lead, http://eclipse.org/mylyn
> > >
> > >
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