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Asking a PMC vote : We will start an incubating module/subproject in VE. [was RE: [tools-pmc] RE: [ve-dev] Contribution on VE with XML editor]
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Ed:
Your suggestion is just what I needed!
Dear Tools PMC:
I am working with the VE community to bring in on board the contributions of
Cathy Scott ( a VE extension for Groovy and non-Java files) and the
contributions of Yves Yang (a VE extension for XML-based files). We will
soon start a vote for them to join as full committers on VE.
When those contributions have been reviewed by the team and prepped I will
submit CQs in IPZilla and request to have those contributions reviewed under
the parallel IP process
http://www.eclipse.org/projects/dev_process/parallel-ip-process.php .
Those contributions will be hosted in the Tools CVS in an incubating
submodule of the VE project.
We will follow there every bit of the Eclipse incubations rules -- both in
letter and intent -- until such time we have a move review so they could
become fully integrated into the VE releases. We will for instance set
separate web pages for that and mark those as incubating as defined here:
http://www.eclipse.org/projects/dev_process/incubation-conforming.php etc.
I am asking you now to vote on that proposal with a +1, -1 or abstention by
reply to this email to the tool-pmc and ve-dev lists so we can then decide
what to do. I would aslo kindly ask -- if you agree to that vote-- that you
cast your vote within the next seven days.
Cordially
--
Cheers
Philippe
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ed Merks [mailto:merks@xxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 5:28 AM
> To: pombredanne@xxxxxxxxx; Tools PMC mailing list
> Cc: 'Tools PMC mailing list'; tools-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [tools-pmc] RE: [ve-dev] Contribution on VE with
> XML editor
>
>
> Philippe,
>
> I'm not on the Tools PMC so my opinions are my own and do not
> reflect those of the tools PMC...
>
> My opinions are based on experience with helping lead the
> Modeling PMC and leading the EMF/EMFT subprojects. I totally
> agree with you that having a vibrant and diverse community
> depends on being flexible and responding rapidly to
> interested parties looking to contribute and join the fun.
> Tediously long delays and any perception of loss of control
> of one's work are significant barriers and those need to be
> lowered as much as possible. Parallel IP is a crucial aspect
> of that. So, rather than ask the tools PMC for advice, I'd
> suggest you be more forceful tell them exactly what you
> plan/propose to do. I.e., I plan to create the "VET"
> subproject as an incubating satellite project for VE. The
> organization and intent are analogous to the Modeling
> project's EMFT subproject which is an incubating satellite
> for EMF and is organized according to these rules:
>
> http://wiki.eclipse.org/Modeling_Project_Organization
>
> Note that when creating EMFT components I ask for votes from
> all existing EMF and EMFT committers.
>
> If folks want to suggest an alternative Tools-specific
> structure, that's
> their obligation to provide and to enable quickly. It's
> really hard to
> effect change, as you saw with the request to clean up the
> messy structure in CVS, so it seems best that you focus on
> doing the right things for VE and hope that others will
> follow that lead.
>
>
> Ed Merks/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA
> mailto: merks@xxxxxxxxxx
> 905-413-3265 (t/l 969)
>
Philippe Ombredanne wrote:
> Ladies and gentlemen:
> You are the tools PMC, so I am asking for guidance.
> The VE project is in recovery mode. I just want to find a
> solution (I like the approach suggested by Jeff and Ed to
> have something like a tools
> incubator) to welcome resonably quickly new committers which
> are joinning with significant pieces of code that they have
> built on top of VE. I consider that important for the project
> and I want to benefit from the // ip process such as not to
> loose the fledgling momentum that is building around VE. In
> contrast to many other projects, this is an all volunteer
> project and to bring in good souls fast (especially bring in
> good souls that come with a significant piece of code) is
> important for VE. Whatever the solution you pick is fine Shall I:
> a) start our own VE incubator
> b) work so that we start a common tools incubator to incubate
> for all tools projects
>
> And if you consider that neither a or b is acceptable to you,
> that is fine. I just need to know. There are always
> alternatives. Sourceforge and Google are some of them. Cordially
> --
> Cheers
> Philippe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff McAffer [mailto:Jeff_McAffer@xxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 6:55 PM
> To: Tools PMC mailing list
> Cc: pombredanne@xxxxxxxxx; Tools PMC mailing list;
> tools-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx; 'Discussions people developing
> code for the Visual Editor project'
> Subject: RE: [tools-pmc] RE: [ve-dev] Contribution on VE
> with XML editor
>
>
> I don't follow this. the only thing that is an incubator is
> a subproject (according to the current development process).
> so as Ed points out, the question is whether to have a
> Tools Incubator project that has N protentially largely
> unrelated components to incubate stuff for various other
> Tools projects or to have N Tools projects each of which is
> an incubator in its own right. The former is simpler from a
> process point of view but perhaps less than optimal from a
> community point of view.
>
> Jeff
> Doug Schaefer wrote:
> I agree. I'm not sure why the subproject would be an
> incubator. Why couldn't we just put the code in an incubator.
>
> Doug Schaefer, QNX Software Systems
> Eclipse CDT Project Lead, http://cdtdoug.blogspot.com
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > On Behalf Of Ed Merks
Subject:
> RE: [tools-pmc] RE: [ve-dev] Contribution on VE with XML
> editor > > Guys, > > It seems to be a sign of a
> dysfunctional process when everyone needs to > create
> incubating subprojects effectively for no other reason than to take
> > advantage of parallel IP. It's just not clear who is
> being well served
> > by
> > this additional organizational complexity. Note that for
> EMF we have
> the
> > EMFT project as its permanently incubating satellite
> project and that all > the components for EMFT live under
> /cvsroot/modeling/org.eclipse.emf along > with the
> components for EMF so it makes little real difference whether
> > EMFT > is a separate subproject or not. As such, I don't
> see that it makes much > difference whether Tools has
> multiple incubating subprojects or just one.
> > > Ed
> Merks/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA > mailto: merks@xxxxxxxxxx >
> >
> > Jeff wrote:
> > >Sure would be good to have that parallel IP process
> extended to all > projects ;-) > +1 :-P > > As for
> getting a tools incubator, I agree I think we need one. It
> does not > make sense for a tools project to start its onw
> incubator just because it > can. > It does not make sens
> not have to have the ability to incubate things in > tools,
> especially when those are tightly linked to a certain tools
> > project. > > Note that web tools started theiur own
> incubator. > Incubators are in, they are cool. > Let's do
> one! > > -- > Cheers > Philippe > -----Original
> Message----- > From: tools-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:tools-pmc- > bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] > On Behalf Of
> Jeff McAffer > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:35 PM >
> To: Tools PMC mailing list > Cc: Tools PMC mailing list;
> tools-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx; 'Discussions > people
> developing code for the Visual Editor project' > Subject:
> Re: [tools-pmc] RE: [ve-dev] Contribution on VE with XML
> editor > > > you would have to have a subproject in
> Technology as well. IMHO it would > be better to have one
> general Tools incubator subporject with N > components >
> than N Tech subprojects. Either solution is not great. >
> Jeff > > > >
Ed Merks wrote:
> > Jeff,
> >
> > Isn't that what the Technology project is for?! It seems almost
> ironic
> > for the Tools project to have a general purpose
> incubating subproject > when > the entire Technology
> project exists for this purpose...
> > Jeff McAffer wrote:
> > unfortunately the parallel IP process applies only to
> "Incubating
> Projects". VE is not incubating. It seems a
> bit extreme to set up a new
> Tools project to incubate
> this work. So an interesting question is > whether > or
> not Tools should have a general "Incubator" as we do in the
> Eclipse
> TLP.
> > > Jeff
> > > > "Philippe wrote:
> > Hi Yves:
> > Welcome ! This is a great news.
> > Your contributions are very much welcomed and I would
> love you join the > project and be a driving force for
> non-Java visual editing. > Team, I had a good discussion
> with Yves on the phone and here is how we > could go at it:
> > 1/ we need a VE incubator for that, so we can welcome new
> significant > code > contributions and benefit from the
> paralell IP process . Any thought from > the Tools PMC on
> how to do that? > 2/ in the meantime Yves and I will work
> to prepare his contribution (mini > ip > review,
> package/names space refactoring, notices, licenses etfc) and
> when > ready this will be posted in some public for
> everyone to review > 3/ at that stage I'll be able to start
> an IPZilla CQ to get review and > approval for that
> contribution > 4/ then we can vote Yves in asa new
> committer > > The interesting things is : > There are
> synergies possibilities with the proposed contribution from
> > Cathy > (the VE Groovy extensions) > There have been
> request here and on the new group for XML focused VE >
> extensions. > > Thoughts? Feedback? > > > -- >
> Cheers > Philippe > http://easyeclipse.org -
> http://phpeclipse.net - http://eclipse.org/atf
> -
> > http://eclipse.org/vep - http://labs.jboss.org/drools/ -
> > http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/XULRunner
> > -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:ve-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On > Behalf Of Yves
> YANG
>Subject: [ve-dev] Contribution on VE
> with XML editor > > > Hi All, > > I'm Yves YANG from
> Soyatec. I were the CTO of Omondo from 2002 and early >
> 2006 and built the key components in EclispeUML. In my new
> company > Soyatec, > I work in a project to edit UI in
> XML file on top of VE since Mai 2006. > This > product is
> on production now in our custosmer. We think it could be >
> profitable for all users if we can contribute this kind of
> solution in > Eclipse to promote the XML UI approach,
> instead of the Java programming. > Please let me know if
> you are interested. > > Best regards > Yves YANG > >
