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Re: [technology-pmc] requesting permission for release review (JWT)
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Hi Wayne,
Thanks for your many inputs, they are poised to put JWT closer to an
engaging, working community ! As a start, a blog aggregated on Planet
Eclipse is sure to improve its popularity.
I understand your concern with how we at JWT do engage the community
today. We want to ramp it up, and after reading your email I'd actually
love to talk to you in person about it. But for now let me just put two
things in light.
First, we've got a lot of vision and ongoing work, but for good or bad
reasons (and I put myself in first line), JWT has been lately "more talk
than released code" until now (and the just postponed CQs are not going
to improve this in the short term), and that's why we wanted to wait for
something worth it to talk about it - like another release.
Second, we're interacting in a purposeful matter with several other
actors and communities, like Bonita, STP, OW2, jBPM, and I strongly
believe most of these are actually going to put together with us a quite
complete and consistent vision, or even solution. I agree it would be
best for these interactions to happen in the channels Eclipse provides
us with, and this will improve accordingly.
On other topics, our proposal at ESE has been refused this year, but
we'll try to stick with our friends at STP. Though EclipseCon is a bit
far, we've got talks at OW2 TechDays and LinuxSolutions in France, as
well as planned articles in EclipseMag and InfoQ among others.
On STP and the future of JWT, we've integrated JWT with parts of STP
(the STP Intermediate Metamodel, as well as STP SCA Tools). STP might be
a place for JWT - the question is complementarity vs opposition of
vision and features, which will be discussed together on an upcoming
common wiki page.
Most of these things are related in the upcoming project review slides,
so you might take a look at them.
I'll always be eager to get your feedback,
Regards,
Marc Dutoo
JWT Project Lead
Wayne Beaton a écrit :
Hi Christian.
I've done a quick review of the JWT project. It seems that the project
has done a good job of making it easy for interested parties to get
involved with the project. Specifically, the project's web site [1] is
informative, but concise. Futher, you have provided numerous sources
of information about the project which should make it easy for
interested parties to figure out how to get involved. The project
summary page [2] appears to have all the required information (though
the "Project Plan" links don't provide any actual information).
I am concerned, however, that there seems to be relatively little
input into the project from outside of the project's committers. All
but one of the bugzilla entries against the project appear to come
from committers. The newsgroup [3] has very little activity. There
does seem to be a steady stream of downloads, but given the low
volume, it would be easy to theorize that they are coming from
colleagues within your respective companies.
It does seem that you are doing some of what is required to engage
with the community. You are certainly making it easy for folks to get
involved. However, the community will only get involved if they know
about you and I get the sense that you're not doing enough to raise
awareness of the project. At a minimum, you need to blog about this.
Consider creating a project blog and having it aggregated on Planet
Eclipse and aggregators in the BPM space.
I noticed that you appear to be using the archive server to serve your
downloads from the "All Downloads" page [4]. Can you explain why? It
is more typical to use the download server as you appear to be doing
with the link on your home page.
Can you please fix the broken project plan links on the project
summary page?
I would also like to see some form of plan for more actively engaging
the community and drawing them into the project. What conferences are
you presenting at? Are you blogging about this technology? Are you
planning to submit a talk proposal for ESE, or EclipseCon 2009
(submissions open today)?
Is the JWT project working with the STP project at all? Are there
any/many interactions between the projects? Is STP a potential
permanent home for this project?
Thanks,
Wayne
[1] http://www.eclipse.org/jwt/
[2]
http://www.eclipse.org/projects/project_summary.php?projectid=technology.jwt
[3]
http://www.eclipse.org/newsportal/thread.php?group=eclipse.technology.jwt
[4] http://wiki.eclipse.org/JWT_Downloads#Workflow_Editor_Version_0.4.0
Christian Saad wrote:
Hi Technology PMC,
We’d like to request your approval for the 0.5 release of the Java
Workflow
Tooling (JWT) project. This release contains many bugfixes and UI
additions
which will enhance user experience along with several new extension
points
that will allow users to customize the workflow editing process to
their own
needs.
Thanks,
Christian (JWT Committer)
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