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Hi Andrea, first of all: a happy new year! Thanks
for sharing your project proposal eBPM with us. Besides the comments that were
exchanged on the mailing list until now, I have some more thoughts about your
proposal: As you're probably aware, in the Eclipse
ecosystem there is the Java Workflow Tooling (JWT) project. Currently, this is
a Technology sub-project but we are planning to move to the upcoming Eclipse
SOA TLP soon. The JWT project is currently in version 0.7 and will graduate
from incubation probably together with Helios in June 2010. The idea of the JWT project is to
support workflow and business process tooling in different areas: modeling, extending
existing models with e.g. execution-specific data, transformations, administration,
monitoring and execution. We already built a set of plugins to
support the users in their daily tasks and currently several programs are
integrating the plugins of JWT. When looking at your project proposal, I
essentially see the same ideas: process modeling (via BPMN), extensions of the
editor, transformations (via Mangrove, or the STP-IM as it is still called), plugins
for deployment, monitoring and management of processes. Of course, there are also slightly
differences between the projects: you are building on BPEL-processes and Apache
ODE, on Swordfish, the BPMN and BPEL-editor. But on the other side, we both want
to leverage the Eclipse ecosystem, be vendor-neutral and show modularity. Your main focus seems to be on the OSGi
technology for SOA, and we don't see a problem here at all, but currently have
another focus. Competition is always good to improve
the current work. However, since there is a lot of competition outside Eclipse,
I would rather prefer to see one project focusing workflows and business processes
inside Eclipse (maybe with different facets) than two different projects that
are competing with each other and where the end-user won't see which one to
choose from. Therefore, I would love to hear your
opinion about JWT and whether you would see a possibility to integrate your
development into JWT. Either in existing components or in future components.
Creating new components is definitely easier than creating and maintaining your
own project... We are definitely open to collaboration
here! I discussed this in the last weeks with the other project co-lead and
leading committers of JWT, and we agree that having support for some of the
components of JWT that we did not have resources for yet, would be great! You
would still be able to work on your ideas and components! We could work on the
website, the build process, etc. as we are currently already doing. We could
even have several builds where the user can choose from, one with your set of
plugins and one with ours. I think both project communities would
benefit from working with each other. You already have experience and I guess a
lot of development in this area and would like to share this in the Eclipse
ecosystem (which is great!). Our community, too, has experience in
BPM, SOA and workflows and our code is already publicly available on Eclipse. We
are already aware of all the Eclipse-ish things that need to be done (to become
committer, have a release review, have an own build, etc.). We could both learn
from each other, share new ideas and help to improve each other's work. I hope that you also see the
similarities in our mindset. Just let me know, what your opinion is about the
proposed collaboration. I'm looking forward to hearing from you in
due course again. Thanks and best regards, Florian ----------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:44:46 +0100 From: Andrea Zoppello <andrea.zoppello@xxxxxx> Subject: [stp-dev] eBPM Proposal To: STP Dev list <stp-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx> Hi all, I'm Andrea Zoppello, i'm already a committer
on eclipse stp-dev project. Now i'm working to a new project eBPM and i would like to
share with you the project proposal before to submit to Eclipse EMO. You could find the project proposal attached to this
message. Any feedback, suggestion, doubt about the proposal is
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